Define deception...if you're implying your preference points, you got exactly what you paid for.You ok with a business model built on deception?
Define deception...if you're implying your preference points, you got exactly what you paid for.You ok with a business model built on deception?
Good point.You ok with a business model built on deception?
Works for me, no NR on federal lands too if you go that route. Hope you have access lined up.So how about we just shut down all access to Federal owned lands. Maybe the State will allow resident hunting maybe not. That is where this type of thinking leads. Just be careful what you wish for. I hope you guys own thousands of acres so you will have a place to hunt.
Do you happen to remember how WG&F marketed the preference point program? Plenty is still out there to be found.Define deception...if you're implying your preference points, you got exactly what you paid for.
Problem will be that when the govt closes federal land, it will be all federal land. Everywhere and I suspect it will come in our lifetimes.So how about we just shut down all access to Federal owned lands. Maybe the State will allow resident hunting maybe not. That is where this type of thinking leads. Just be careful what you wish for. I hope you guys own thousands of acres so you will have a place to hunt.
No probably about it...its going to the legislature in February, and its going to pass.^^ Thanks Hilltop. Great info!!
Most of us inherently know what Wyoming is proposing is wrong, but those quotes make it very clear.
Unfortunately, they'll probably do it anyway. Selfishness and greed are powerful emotions and tough to overcome.
Sounds like you got exactly what Nesvik said...an increased chance of drawing a tag.Do you happen to remember how WG&F marketed the preference point program? Plenty is still out there to be found.
Here is a quote directly from the WG&F analysis report in 1996- ""A preference point system will ultimately guarantee an applicant a license." Upon reviewing the commission felt this statement was accurate in most instances. This was the general message communicated to the public encouraging them to purchase points.
Here is a quote from Brian Nesvik, WGFD Chief Game Warden several years back- “Preference points were originally intended to provide hunters with predictability and reasonable assurance that over time, their chances of drawing high demand areas would increase. Specifically for non-residents, they were intended to help hunters predict how often they would draw a tag for their favorite areas." The reasonable assurance that my odds will increase is being taken away. Under 90/10, my odds of drawing a moose tag are actually being reduced significantly, even if they go to a 50/50 split.
The business model may not have been originally built on deception but the current proposed changes would retroactively make it so. It was marketed as a way to guarantee you eventually draw a license.
What would a phase out look like? I haven't watched the video from yesterday at this point.Sounds like you got exactly what Nesvik said...an increased chance of drawing a tag.
You'll still have a chance under 90-10 and a better chance the more points you have, that is if they aren't phased out.
This all depends on what permits and tags we are talking about.Many NR folks apply to 10 different states every year and then make a fuss over which permits to hunt and which ones to return. If you can't hunt WY, you can hunt CO, NV, ID, wherever. So, it's not like the overall opportunity isn't there.
Rich, I understand where you are coming from. Some guys do that. However, it's not like I or anyone one else who has invested in Wyoming big 5 can just pick up and move those points to another state. Wyoming changing the game after buying over a decades worth of points is deception, misleading, whatever you want to call it. It isn't "fair" but I have come to accept it because frankly I don't have a choice. It doesn't make it right though. You statement of we all got influenced somehow paints a pretty broad stroke. The Wyoming Game and Fish are the ones who influenced me and many others. I'll quote again - WGFD Chief Game Warden several years back- “Preference points were originally intended to provide hunters with predictability and reasonable assurance that over time, their chances of drawing high demand areas would increase." Predictability... reasonable assurance... chance of drawing will increase. All being yanked out from under everyone who invested. Under the current system, I am within a few years of drawing. After the change, mathematically, I likely won't ever draw unless I win the random 1% or so chance.I'm willing to give folks the benefit of the doubt.
We all got influenced somehow. We never thought there'd be more hunters than permits. We need to deal with it - maybe accept it is the best wording.
The preference point system is only good up until so many people apply. After that there are more applicants than available permits cause a backup.
Many NR folks apply to 10 different states every year and then make a fuss over which permits to hunt and which ones to return. If you can't hunt WY, you can hunt CO, NV, ID, wherever. So, it's not like the overall opportunity isn't there.
It's all over the map...they were talking the most about taking the top 4-5 preference point pools (those with 20+ poingt), keeping them in the preference side of the draw until they all drew sheep and moose.What would a phase out look like? I haven't watched the video from yesterday at this point.
Jim I do understand.This all depends on what permits and tags we are talking about.
You will have slim pickings on deer tags in Colorado and Nevada, and Idaho is getting that way. Forget about pronghorn tags in any of the states. You can get a OTC elk tag, but forget about moose, sheep, and goats. Now Utah has a OTC bison hunt but you better be ready for some tough hunting.
As for drawing tags in multiple states in the same year where you have to decide which one to turn back in, yes that happens but not really that often
Those long term points - many years of waiting and hoping...Rich, I understand where you are coming from. Some guys do that. However, it's not like I or anyone one else who has invested in Wyoming big 5 can just pick up and move those points to another state. Wyoming changing the game after buying over a decades worth of points is deception, misleading, whatever you want to call it. It isn't "fair" but I have come to accept it because frankly I don't have a choice. It doesn't make it right though. You statement of we all got influenced somehow paints a pretty broad stroke. The Wyoming Game and Fish are the ones who influenced me and many others. I'll quote again - WGFD Chief Game Warden several years back- “Preference points were originally intended to provide hunters with predictability and reasonable assurance that over time, their chances of drawing high demand areas would increase." Predictability... reasonable assurance... chance of drawing will increase. All being yanked out from under everyone who invested. Under the current system, I am within a few years of drawing. After the change, mathematically, I likely won't ever draw unless I win the random 1% or so chance.
For non residents the odds of drawing a couple of good tags in one year are even slimmer.Jim I do understand.
It all depends on what we each are looking for and the potential to obtain our heart's desires.
I'm a bad one to use as a comparison - hunted New England growing up and could expect to see a buck every 4 or 5 years if lucky. Haven't hung my hat on hunting our west more than a few times. Most folks would have quit long time ago if my hunting record was theirs. It is just what we do.