Fair Chase?

[mallardsx2]

I remember in school that most teachers wouldn't let you use them in class. They would say that you needed to learn how to do the problem longhand instead of depending on "technology"

I know the feeling.

At PSU I went through all of the upper level math courses and then onto Integral Vector Calculus, Differential Equations, and Wave Motion Quantum Physics. All with no calculator. The classes were taught by people who could barely speak a lick of English and math was their sole purpose life.

"Galeee, you no understand?"
"NO, I DONT."
"This no haad, it just math..."

I'm glad I am where I am at now in life but I would NEVER do that over again.

Oh, an we were required to show all of our work. Thank god for partial credit.

 

[buckbull]

I know the feeling.

At PSU I went through all of the upper level math courses and then onto Integral Vector Calculus, Differential Equations, and Wave Motion Quantum Physics. All with no calculator. The classes were taught by people who could barely speak a lick of English and math was their sole purpose life.

"Galeee, you no understand?"
"NO, I DONT."
"This no haad, it just math..."

I'm glad I am where I am at now in life but I would NEVER do that over again.

Oh, an we were required to show all of our work. Thank god for partial credit.

Probably the biggest reason i didn't become an engineer and changed to computer science was due to the horrible instructors in the physics and math departments. How can they be allowed to teach college level classes when they have a vocabulary of a first grader. I could at least understand all the nerds in the comp sci department.

 

[buckbull]

The teachers didn't put up with anything from the students and if you got caught doing something that you weren't suppose to do you got sent to the principals office, and very seldom was it for a talking to.

I'm old enough that during primary school the teachers were still allowed to give "swats". They usually deferred that to the principal who was about 6'2" and 250 pounds. He made the kids get in front of the class and bend over to touch their toes. He had a huge paddle that had 1 inch holes drilled thru it to cause maximum pain. After getting wailed on, the kids would come back to their seats and say it didn't hurt while tears ran down their face. Pretty good deterrent. Much better than a time out in a corner IMO.

 

[BKC]

Probably the biggest reason i didn't become an engineer and changed to computer science was due to the horrible instructors in the physics and math departments. How can they be allowed to teach college level classes when they have a vocabulary of a first grader. I could at least understand all the nerds in the comp sci department.

All those nerds in the comp sci lab use to make me feel about 2 feet tall when I was trying to get my fortran program to work. Standing in line at the card punch machine, and the reader just to see page after page spit out from the printer and having everyone in the line behind you giving you the evil eye. Sometimes I thought my life was just a big do loop.

I had beers with some old college roomies and we had good chuckles reliving the good ole days!

 

[mallardsx2]

I'm old enough that during primary school the teachers were still allowed to give "swats". They usually deferred that to the principal who was about 6'2" and 250 pounds. He made the kids get in front of the class and bend over to touch their toes. He had a huge paddle that had 1 inch holes drilled thru it to cause maximum pain. After getting wailed on, the kids would come back to their seats and say it didn't hurt while tears ran down their face. Pretty good deterrent. Much better than a time out in a corner IMO.

When I was a teenager I pinwheeled the principal with a snowball from about 30 yards. Hit him right in the head...and the one kid that saw me do it ratted on me. I got beaten half to death by that principle with a huge wooden paddle... Literally I had black legs for a month....It hurt like hell and I had tears.

Then a day later I gave the kid who ratted on me a black eye. Then his parents called my parents....lol
My dad told the kids parents "maybe we both learned hard lessons in the last couple of days" and hung up on them. lol

In my mid 20's I came upon that same HS principal in a local bar and I ordered him a beer. I walked up to him with it and handed it to him and said, "You know, I had black legs for a month from that paddle...and I havnt forgotten about it...".....he apologized VERY quickly and thanked me for the beer.

I turned to walk away and he stopped me and asked me if I was the one who gave that kid the black eye. I said "I dont recall....But, I certainly dont recall him ratting on me for it....."

He almost spit his beer out...lol



Good memories.

 

[JimP]

I remember one day when my mom was enrolling me into a school down in Crane, Texas. They asked permission from her to administer corporal punishment on my body if it was needed and asked her to sign a form so that they could. I think that it hurt more when my mom signed that form than what I would get later after getting into a fight with a couple other students.

Also that school didn't have a cafeteria for the students to eat at. But come noon we would all line up and march on down to a local buffet type of a cafeteria for lunch. The first time through I remember taking quite a few items that I liked and then when I couldn't eat all of them the lunch lady told me to go back to the table and to eat them instead of throwing it away. Soon the only two people in that room were me and that lunch lady who sat with me until I had cleaned my plate.

Another lesson learned.

 

[AKaviator]

I think that the introduction of all the technology that's available into "hunting" has really redefined "fair chase". Not for the better.
I know that there is no going back to the old days when C.C. was a youngster and Jim was a gleam , but I wish we could!

 

[JimP]

Ahhhhhh come on now, CC only has me by a dozen years.

But he was hunting while I was still in diapers

 

[Winchester]

I think that the introduction of all the technology that's available into "hunting" has really redefined "fair chase". Not for the better.
I know that there is no going back to the old days when C.C. was a youngster and Jim was a gleam , but I wish we could!

Well said !!!

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

Ahhhhhh come on now, CC only has me by a dozen years.

But he was hunting while I was still in diapers

Yep...for sure!

 

[Turbodude]

Engineering=fair chase

 

[JimP]

Yep...for sure!
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I do have to admit that I was quite likely out with my parents in the fall of 1953 while they were hunting deer, and I am sure that I was with them on their fishing trips that year also.

 

[buckbull]

I do have to admit that I was quite likely out with my parents in the fall of 1953 while they were hunting deer, and I am sure that I was with them on their fishing trips that year also.

Sounds like your Dad might have got lucky on that hunt.

Did he shoot a deer?

 

[Rich M]

Yep...for sure!
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What? No pack?!


I started deer hunting around 1978. Maybe 4th grade? Fanny pack - license, knife, drag rope, baggie of cookies, hershey's bar, and we'll see you back here after dark from Dad.


Fair chase has definitely changed. I mean, what about running down animals with rocks and clubs or running em off cliffs so the tribe could process the meat? Then came bows, compound bows, ML rifles, cartridge rifles, auto loaders.... Then yes, we have technology too to online maps and aerial photographs, GPS to mark the spot, maps to show property boundaries, cameras to prove the animals are there and how big they are, etc.

Yet - somehow, with all of that, the animals still manage outsmart us and get away. LOL! Sometimes I think we're walking backwards.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

Picture was taken in camp. I usually hunted wearing a hunting vest. I also wore a GI web belt with a canteen on it.

 

[JimP]

What? No pack?!





Fair chase has definitely changed. I mean, what about running down animals with rocks and clubs or running em off cliffs so the tribe could process the meat?

This brought back a couple of hunts that I was on many years ago.

One we were headed home empty handed when we spotted a buck up on the hill. My brother in laws dad wanted a deer so he got out and walked over to a tree that he could shoot across and shot the buck. My brother in law and I headed up the hill to get the deer, once there we realized that he was still very much alive with a broken spine. Now here we were looking for a large rock in 2 feet of snow to finish him off. My brother in law very seldom carried a knife and I had taken off my belt where I had my larger knife so all I had was a small pocket knife.

I finally got a large enough stick to where I could break his neck and then finish him off but we must of looked like a couple of clowns running around up on that hill.

The other time was when my brother in law had a bison tag in Utah. He finally connected on one and sent his son over to find the bison. Another friend and I had been watching what was going on from about a mile away and guided my nephew into the bison. Well, he wasn't dead yet. I jumped on my 4 wheeler only to find my brother in law 3/4's of the way over to the bison without his rifle. When I told him that it was still alive he mentioned that he only had one bullet left. I hiked back to where he had left his rifle and brought it over to him. Once at the bison we told him that he better make this shot a good once since it was a couple of hours back to the trucks to get more ammo.

 

[Shane13]

With regard to the article, some of the technology we have now makes hunting more ethical in some ways. Take his example of a rangefinder. Whether you are hunting with a bow or a firearm of some type, if you know the exact distance and angle of your target, you are much more likely to make a good shot that will result in a clean kill.

Fair chase is one thing, but technological advancements are another. Hunters from 1,000 years ago didn't have trail cameras, but they had lots of help and time on their hands, so they were able to send scouts all over the place to locate game. They didn't have rifles that could kill a buffalo at 1,000 yards. But they figured out how to drive a herd over a cliff to kill them. Would that be "sporting" in today's world? Not likely.

I think we all just like to hunt. I think ethics are very important. But I also think hunters are our own worst enemies sometimes. Sometimes it's easy for a hunter to start believing that his/her favorite style of hunting is the most moral way to hunt, and anyone who prefers a different method of hunting is a bad person. 99.99% of the time that isn't the case. There's all kinds of different styles and methods to hunt. I have my favorites, but I'm not upset when other hunters prefer different methods (as long as they're not breaking any laws). Every hunter is my brother.

 

[kidoggy]

I am looking forward to the day we can use transporters to get from one ridge to the next. and then simply beam the meat directly to the freezer.

who needs challenge????????

 

[badgerbob]

When I started college in1959, there were no calculators like we have today. We used a slide rule to do calcualations. I still have one some p[lace, not sure if I actually remember how to use it..LOL! We have come a long ways since then. Now I know how my Grandfather felt when he saw only biplanes when he was young and lived long enough to see men on the moon.

Cowboy, I remember a chemistry class which had a prerequisite of a slide rule class. One semester.....

 

[tim]

I am so old, wait i can't remeber!