NR Sheep/Goats etc to 10%
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libidilatimmy
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There's another bill that popped up today concerning NR tag allocations. HB-149 was introduced as an effort to change the 40% Special draw - 60% Regular draw split of available NR tags to 60% Special - 40% Regular.
http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2015/Fiscal/HB0149.pdf
http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2015/Fiscal/HB0149.pdf
If I followed all of this correctly, the first change cost 170k or so of revenue and lost support in part because of that issue. This change is projected to raise 400k+ of revenue. So how long does it take for the sponsors of the first bill to amend the second and say now voters and bean counters are happy. Seems this play has more acts to come. I think my head is about to explode, time to go fishing...
laxwyo
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Ban NR hunting and eliminate the Game and Fish. One software engineer should do trick. Western rules and sheriffs handle any calls.
PeteD
New Member
I have a dream to take my sons on some western hunts. This is one more change that will kill more dreams of the average blue collar worker who are the core of the hunting community.
woodtick
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I feel this mentality has been burned into the youth now days and they don't show any respect to other hunters and the reason why I've have slashed tires, broken windows and tail lights smashed out of my truck when I come to wyoming hunting.
PointsHunter
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I'm not serious and it would never pass... Allocate % NR tags based on the % of Federal lands in a state. For Wyoming that would be over 40%... That would stir up some real resident complaints.
Hilltop
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I can read a touch of sarcasm in your message but I know many residents that hold your opinion about NR hunters... I was one of the short sighted residents not too long ago. Many of those same residents would be the first to cry when Wyoming had to adopt a State Income Tax to foot the bill for the lost revenue. There would also be a lot of businesses that would suffer or close resulting in many lost jobs for residents. Nearly every outfitter and guide in the state would be without a job. There would also be a lot of public accessible land that turned back to private because of the lost funding. Tourism generated over 3.2 billion dollars for the state of Wyoming in 2013. Cut that out and each resident of the state would have to spend/pay in over $7,000 dollars each year to make up the difference. Not likely... While the 3.2 billion isn't all from hunting, a lot of it is. Be careful what you ask, Wyoming residents...
When I use to be a NR back in 2003 I came out deer hunting and a guy keyed a lot of not nice things into my truck. Later in the week a local told me the guy was talking about it in camp so he told me who he was and the truck he was driving. The next day I seen him and flagged him down, I just simply asked him what I did to deserve a complete key job on my truck. He told my I took his spot. We had been camped there for 3 days before this happened and where the only ones at that trail head till he showed up.
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woodtick
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I got off good with my experience another fellow from over here got it bad!! They figured it was a bunch of HS aged kids were out driving around on the deer hunt and got bored. They completely totaled a brand new F350 and a Wilson stock trailer.
Hilltop
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CoHiCntry
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I'm sure your kidding since you were in Colorado last year hunting. If not, then you first...
woodtick
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That'd be a waste of money for me to do 95% of my hunts. Most of them are within 200miles, and besides my truck has been put together exactly the way I want it for hunting!
Hilltop
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I was referring to the long drive out of state hunts... Of course when you hunt close to home it makes sense to use your own most of the time. For guys travelling long distance, they not only save the wear and tear but the miles of depreciation. Likely a wash as far as money is concerned and no stress over a ding or two.
And I think that is what will always talk when it comes to these bills. Unfortunately many residents aren't aware of how good they have it.
That's sucks! I dealt with NR in Wisconsin and there were good and bad and now there are good and bad ones here in Wyoming. I just hunt the 1+ mile from the road and don't have to worry about taking 99% of peoples spots.
As a former NR I'd sure like it if the average hunters didn't get screwed.
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woodtick
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I thought you was suggesting I rent a truck to save mine from vandalism!
It was a string of events that all happened within a two week deal, it unfortunately was my first year hunting in Wyoming.
Horsenhike
Very Active Member
Wow. Had no idea res/nonres issues were so contentious in Wyoming.
I have no problem buying a point and hunting every other year. Dealing with keyed trucks and slashed tires is a whole other issue. Wonder how law enforcement responds to these incidents? Cell phone game cameras are getting more and more common all the time. Just saying.
We looked at sheep hunting and decided to go to New Zealand. It will cost, but paying doesn't bother me. Playing the lottery does. Especially one that has no real rules other than, "Give us money and in 20 years we might give you a tag."
South Dakota just started playing PP games a couple years ago. We now pay for our points, and can buy without applying. Before it was always awarded for not drawing. Getting tougher to draw all the time. Even for deer and antelope as residents.
Oh well. I want to hunt and will jump through reasonable hoops to do so. We shall see how this fall goes in Wyoming. May be time to rethink how we want to spend our time and money.
I have no problem buying a point and hunting every other year. Dealing with keyed trucks and slashed tires is a whole other issue. Wonder how law enforcement responds to these incidents? Cell phone game cameras are getting more and more common all the time. Just saying.
We looked at sheep hunting and decided to go to New Zealand. It will cost, but paying doesn't bother me. Playing the lottery does. Especially one that has no real rules other than, "Give us money and in 20 years we might give you a tag."
South Dakota just started playing PP games a couple years ago. We now pay for our points, and can buy without applying. Before it was always awarded for not drawing. Getting tougher to draw all the time. Even for deer and antelope as residents.
Oh well. I want to hunt and will jump through reasonable hoops to do so. We shall see how this fall goes in Wyoming. May be time to rethink how we want to spend our time and money.
They could ban NR hunting, or cut NR tags to almost nothing, but in return resident fees would have to be raised substantially to cover the costs. Also if that happens, Wyoming should get no more federal money for anything game related, as Federal money comes from everyone.
The reason why banning NR's or cutting NR allocations will never happen is simple. Wyoming is a deeply conservative state, the thing about conseratives is they want everything but dont want to pay for it.
The reason why banning NR's or cutting NR allocations will never happen is simple. Wyoming is a deeply conservative state, the thing about conseratives is they want everything but dont want to pay for it.
Just an FYI, there is a survey floating around regarding cutting NR quotas to 10% along with many other issues.
Also, tag distribution between R and NR, has essentially no impact on Federal funding that the states receive.
I think if the NR allocation is cut, it will be with moose, sheep, goat, and bison, and I think its warranted. Wyoming Residents should get 90% of the tags for those species, the same as the residents of every other surrounding state enjoy.
There simply wouldn't be significant revenue lost by cutting the NR allocation of moose, sheep, goat and bison to 10%.
Deer, elk, and pronghorn allocations should NOT be reduced...and that's where a vast majority of NR funding comes from.