WY Taking a Look at Technlogy Concerning Hunting

[Dakota Drifter]

This is a good point. highplainsdrifter, do you think guys competing in an archery tournament would be ok with one of the competitors using a crossbow? Because as you say there is no advantage.

That's why archery tournaments have different classes. A stick bow shooter would not be happy if they had to shoot against a compound shooter shooting extremely light weight arrows, multiple 5 foot stabilizers, slider sight, back tension release, etc. etc.

There is a lot more people shooting extreme distances with compounds, muzzleloaders and rifles than you realize because they don't want to post on social media for fear of the backlash. For instance how many will admit to wounding an animal at 30 yards and not finding it compared to someone who shot 100 yards with a bow and not find the wounded animal?

 

[Gr8bawana]

That's why archery tournaments have different classes. A stick bow shooter would not be happy if they had to shoot against a compound shooter shooting extremely light weight arrows, multiple 5 foot stabilizers, slider sight, back tension release, etc. etc.

Yes there are different classes but there is only ONE archery season and you want to have an advantage over all the other archers.

 

[highplainsdrifter]

No. This is no more than a laughable justification for "shortcut the system". These same people you mention have been free to use the crossgun in the gun season. They are the ones who chose not to. It's all about some wanting to get around professional wildlife managers regulations to exploit the resource. Why don't you just make an argument for greased politicians managing our wildlife, because that is the real issue here. The truth. For some reason I don't see anyone here stepping forward to do that.

There's that highly offensive word again (crossguns). What a bunch of BS!

 

[JM77]

Here is a picture of my wife. See the smile? Why would you want to take that away from her?

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You need to send this picture to every G&F Commissioner!

 

[shootbrownelk]

Yes there are different classes but there is only ONE archery season and you want to have an advantage over all the other archers.[/QUOTE

If it shoots an ARROW with a STRING....it's ARCHERY.

 

[JM77]

I have taken the time to read from page 6 to the end here and would like to make a few observations:

1) Someone who says it's easier to hit your target holding a crossbow compared to a compound, has never shot a crossbow.

2) Those that call them cross guns, have never shot a crossbow.

3) Anyone who says crossbows have an advantage with poundage, don't understand kinetic energy and shooting a shorter bolt compared to a much longer arrow.

4) This is Wyoming we are talking about, not any of the other 49 states. Crossbows have been legal here in archery season for over FOUR decades.

After I spoke at the Commission meeting on Thursday, I received more emails and text messages from folks than on any issue I have spoken on. There was not one negative comment. The fact remains, that the G&F Dept, who started this, not the Commission, did not do their homework. I would guess there will be much well deserved criticism over that, but in the end, it's will be mostly Wyoming hunters that decide the outcome.

 

[highplainsdrifter]

... The fact remains, that the G&F Dept, who started this, not the Commission, did not do their homework. I would guess there will be much well deserved criticism over that, but in the end, it's will be mostly Wyoming hunters that decide the outcome.

I sent an email to the Commissioners inviting them to follow this thread. If they do, they will see what a can of worms they have opened up. The Game and Fish Department is going to end up with a lot of egg on their face!

 

[Dakota Drifter]

Yes there are different classes but there is only ONE archery season and you want to have an advantage over all the other archers.

YOU are the one that brought up archery tournaments into a hunting debate !!!!!! In my 50 years of experience with shooting recurves, compounds and crossbow I can tell you without a doubt the advantages of a crossbow over a compound is much less than the advantages of a compound over a recurve or stick bow.

 

[CoHiCntry]

4) This is Wyoming we are talking about, not any of the other 49 states. Crossbows have been legal here in archery season for over FOUR decades.

The above statement seems to keep being overlooked in a lot of the replies against crossbows... read it again! Some guys on here probably haven't even been hunting for four decades. I'm not sure anyone would be happy with their state all of a sudden saying no more this or that after allowing it for so many years. I'm neither for or against crossbows. I've never known anyone who shoots one or really even seen one up close. I'm a proponent of hunting and like to see everyone enjoy the hunt with the weapon they choose. Live and let live...

 

[kidoggy]

The above statement seems to keep being overlooked in a lot of the replies against crossbows... read it again! Some guys on here probably haven't even been hunting for four decades. I'm not sure anyone would be happy with their state all of a sudden saying no more this or that after allowing it for so many years. I'm neither for or against crossbows. I've never known anyone who shoots one or really even seen one up close. I'm a proponent of hunting and like to see everyone enjoy the hunt with the weapon they choose. Live and let live...

being open for for four decades is no argument that it shouldn't be looked at.

NOT SAYING BAN IT. I am in fact against that. but there must be issues or they wouldn't be "looking" at it.

 

[highplainsdrifter]

being open for for four decades is no argument that it shouldn't be looked at.

NOT SAYING BAN IT. I am in fact against that. but there must be issues or they wouldn't be "looking" at it.

Of course the Commission can revisit any rule at any time. But when a rule is three decades old such as the one allowing crossbows, they should expect a lot of resistance to a ban. Many people have spent a lot of money purchasing crossbows. To ban them now or restrict them to rifle season would be unfair to those who bought them in good faith. Is the Commission going to offer a "buy back" program?

 

[JM77]

being open for for four decades is no argument that it shouldn't be looked at.

NOT SAYING BAN IT. I am in fact against that. but there must be issues or they wouldn't be "looking" at it.

Issues? Like what kind of issues. Apparently someone or two in the Department, took it upon themselves to make this recommendation solely on the idea crossbows didn't belong in archery season. They have absolutely no data or research to show how many hunters use crossbows, if they kill at a higher percentage rate, if they have a smaller or larger wounding loss or even what type of hunter(male, female, youth or disabled) use them more of the time.

I guess someone figured there was time for a change.

 

[kidoggy]

I would take an educated guess and say NO.
but why should they?
I doubt they advised anyone to go buy one.but hey , for the right price ,I might buy it.

any decision they make, on pretty much any topic you want to pick, they are going to face opposition.

and it is the right , even the duty, of those who oppose to speak up.

 

[Horsenhike]

My guess is that they recognize the technology for crossbows is increasingly g very quickly.

http://www.bestcrossbowsource.com/crossbow-kinetic-energy-chart-calculations-hunting-requirements/

 

[kidoggy]

Issues? Like what kind of issues. Apparently someone or two in the Department, took it upon themselves to make this recommendation solely on the idea crossbows didn't belong in archery season. They have absolutely no data or research to show how many hunters use crossbows, if they kill at a higher percentage rate, if they have a smaller or larger wounding loss or even what type of hunter(male, female, youth or disabled) use them more of the time.

I guess someone figured there was time for a change.

I suspect they have probably been getting a lot of complaints by hunters that don't like them. which is fine. it is their right to do so. don't want em banned? I would suggest you complain to them, as is also your right.

 

[JM77]

I suspect they have probably been getting a lot of complaints by hunters that don't like them. which is fine. it is their right to do so. don't want em banned? I would suggest you complain to them, as is also your right.

Here read this again, you suspect wrong. Nothing personal, but please don't tell me what I need to do, you don't have clue.

Quote Originally Posted by JM77 View Post
Issues? Like what kind of issues. Apparently someone or two in the Department, took it upon themselves to make this recommendation solely on the idea crossbows didn't belong in archery season. They have absolutely no data or research to show how many hunters use crossbows, if they kill at a higher percentage rate, if they have a smaller or larger wounding loss or even what type of hunter(male, female, youth or disabled) use them more of the time.

I guess someone figured there was time for a change.

 

[Zim]

I have taken the time to read from page 6 to the end here and would like to make a few observations:

1) Someone who says it's easier to hit your target holding a crossbow compared to a compound, has never shot a crossbow.

2) Those that call them cross guns, have never shot a crossbow.

3) Anyone who says crossbows have an advantage with poundage, don't understand kinetic energy and shooting a shorter bolt compared to a much longer arrow.

4) This is Wyoming we are talking about, not any of the other 49 states. Crossbows have been legal here in archery season for over FOUR decades.

After I spoke at the Commission meeting on Thursday, I received more emails and text messages from folks than on any issue I have spoken on. There was not one negative comment. The fact remains, that the G&F Dept, who started this, not the Commission, did not do their homework. I would guess there will be much well deserved criticism over that, but in the end, it's will be mostly Wyoming hunters that decide the outcome.

Ya there?s no advantage that?s why crossguns are taking over Some states:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.jsonline.com/amp/1016497001

 

[kidoggy]

Here read this again, you suspect wrong. Nothing personal, but please don't tell me what I need to do, you don't have clue.

Quote Originally Posted by JM77 View Post
Issues? Like what kind of issues. Apparently someone or two in the Department, took it upon themselves to make this recommendation solely on the idea crossbows didn't belong in archery season. They have absolutely no data or research to show how many hunters use crossbows, if they kill at a higher percentage rate, if they have a smaller or larger wounding loss or even what type of hunter(male, female, youth or disabled) use them more of the time.

I guess someone figured there was time for a change.

??????????????? ok . do nothing . that's your right also.

 

[johnsd16]

I have shot a crossbow exactly 5 different times in my life. All at the shop I worked at at the time or used to work at. The last time I shot one was early summer 2017. It was an Xbow set up by a buddy who now runs the shop. With very little wind off a bench I put 5 bolts in a 10” circle at 105 yards. I hadn’t shot a crossbow in years. No way no how could I do that with any of my vertical bows picking them up cold, or even at peak practice unless I had an amazing group and had practiced for it for months.

****Edit: I don’t care what WY does with crossbows or really what any state does with them. WI went from disabled only, then it was over 65, now it is anyone. I haven’t paid real close attention to the harvest numbers and stuff but I don’t know that much has changed. I was more just pointing out that my experience using a crossbow vs vertical is in agreement with some posts and contrary to others.

 

[Granby guy]

What I find interesting is the vast majority of people on here against crossbows are not residents of Wyoming. Why are you concerned about Wyoming's laws if you don't live there? If you want to start, or continue to hunt there, then accept their rules and move on. Nobody is forcing you to hunt there but I don't like the idea of nonresidents trying to influence policy in a state they don't live in. If you don't want to encounter crossbow hunters during archery season then hunt in a state that doesn't allow it.