WY credit card survey

[NEWHunter]

They had me take it after I applied and then a few days later sent me another survey via e-mail. I chose other and wrote that they shouldn't force the successful applicants to buy their tags and then charge the successful applicant a processing fee if/when they decide to purchase their tag - like Wisconsin does. That's one of the things we do have right in this state. That way, if something comes up and I can't get out hunting because I broke my leg or there's a death in the family, I'm not $600 or $1,200 or whatever it is for the tag I was drawn for.

 

[Hilltop]

They had me take it after I applied and then a few days later sent me another survey via e-mail. I chose other and wrote that they shouldn't force the successful applicants to buy their tags and then charge the successful applicant a processing fee if/when they decide to purchase their tag - like Wisconsin does. That's one of the things we do have right in this state. That way, if something comes up and I can't get out hunting because I broke my leg or there's a death in the family, I'm not $600 or $1,200 or whatever it is for the tag I was drawn for.

Not sure I'm following you? You don't think you should pay for the tag until you actually go hunting? For non-resident hunts that just doesn't work. People need time to plan and arrange for travel and the state can't take a gamble on whether they will get paid for the tag.

 

[WapitiBob]

Oregon is that way, app fee only, pay for the tag anytime before first day of season. Not really a big deal.

 

[AT Hiker]

Alright, after reading Eastman?s article about CO tag explosion....Im willing to foot the extra card fee. Wholly smokes that?s crazy what happened!


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[JimP]

Alright, after reading Eastman?s article about CO tag explosion....Im willing to foot the extra card fee. Wholly smokes that?s crazy what happened!


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Quite simple. If a person doesn't have to send $2100 to Colorado for one animal he can apply for all that he wants for only $3 a application. So instead of just sending $2100 for a sheep or goat he just sends in $9 instead of $5700 for 3 animals. The odds of drawing 1 much less 2 or 3 are a ways out there but now he has a chance.

Wait and see what happens to the deer, elk, and antelope. If you don't already have points in the system you are going to be way behind in drawing a tag.

 

[hoshour]

Even worse, once you do cash in your points, you are going to zero and will be stuck behind the big bulge in new applicants.

From what I hear, resident applications for deer and elk will be up at least 25% and nonresidents at least 100%. Once again, it is the nonresidents that get the worst of things. Even though they provide the majority of the revenue they have little power with the Commission and the Dept. because they have no local political representation and they are still a minority of the hunters.

It will have to be residents raising a stink and I guess we'll find out shortly whether the resident increase is enough for that to happen and whether residents care more about upfront money or odds.

There's a pretty lively discussion going on at the blog on this subject.

 

[Paa]

Thank you a post

 

[BuzzH]

Non Residents provide a majority of the license revenue...but not necessarily the majority of funding.

Another thing NR's don't provide is a lot of funding of local NGO's that pay for all kinds of wildlife related things. Residents also volunteer thousands of hours of their time working on wildlife enhancement projects, attending meetings, meeting with GF commissioners, local politicians, etc. etc. etc. That stuff is extremely important, very time consuming, and expensive.

I wish all I had to do each year was scribble a check for NR fees...would be wayyyyy easier than dealing with all the other issues. I feel guilty that all I do in a lot of States I hunt each year is simply writing a check for a NR license fee. That's getting off "cheap"...to say the least.

As to the issue of Wyoming and credit cards, by only charging for the application fees and not dinging cards for the full up front fee...I'm in favor of it and said so on the survey. It will save the department about a million a year...no brainer. I don't really care about draw odds and point creep, that's the price you pay for having a point system in the first place. It happens, apply smartly, get over it, or take up golf.

For a NR hunter that is savvy, there is no reason to ever stack more than 2-5 points to enjoy all the hunting a person can handle in Wyoming.

 

[hoshour]

The CPW's biggest source of revenue is license sales, if I remember right, about 60+% of revenue and nonresidents contribute more revenue than residents by quite a bit.

 

[Hilltop]

I can see you side of the argument Buzz but my fear is that 2-5 points won't be enough going forward. I would much rather pay the credit card fee upfront at application time- even if that meant paying the 3%.

 

[Prerylyon]

I voted to keep as is; but I'm a cheap b@$ tard. [emoji23]

I think I asked for debit cards to be free in the comments?

I thought historically (like way back 20 yrs ago) businesses weren't supposed to pass the credit fees they paid along to consumers? If I recall, it was something to do with the agreement with the credit card company to not push away usage of their card products by showing a preference to cash or check sales, if they wanted to be a merchant pushing said credit card. That may have officially changed a long time ago, because you see it all the time, plain and out in the open at all sorts of businesses.

I know our local Dairy Queen, which is otherwise awesome, does it, and tells you so right with a big sign at the order window. Pi$$es my wife off, our bank debit card that goes str8 to our checking account is visa, so they charge us extra fees if we use it there. So, I just remember to hit the ATM if we go to DQ. With 7 kids and small blizzards, a rare DQ full family trip is pushing $40. [emoji44]

Regards,

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[Montana]

I thought historically (like way back 20 yrs ago) businesses weren't supposed to pass the credit fees they paid along to consumers? If I recall, it was something to do with the agreement with the credit card company to not push away usage of their card products by showing a preference to cash or check sales, if they wanted to be a merchant pushing said credit card. That may have officially changed a long time ago, because you see it all the time, plain and out in the open at all sorts of businesses.

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I actually prefer when they (retailers in general) bump the price up if I use a credit card. This tells me they didn?t pad all of their other products to cover the crazy fees/?deals? with credit cards.
All kinds of fancy sky miles and Cabelas club points etc... we think we are getting awesome deals because we earn 1% on every purchase and 3% on certain but in reality we are paying an additional 3-7% on every purchase to cover these promotions.



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[SoulJz]

Hi there! I can see your point, it's always good to have transparency in pricing.

 

[Alabama]

SPAM!

 

[JimP]

SPAM!

It may be spam but they didn't post any links to other sites. We'll just watch them.

 

[Ikeepitcold]

I’ve already been watching this guy. Like Jim said no violation YET but it’s coming I’m sure

 

[HuskyMusky]

It really only matters for non-res tags let's be honest.

Worse odds sucks for everyone, but charging $3k in 5 plus states simply to apply is a lot.

Really is a debate for hunting becoming Rich vs Avg Joe. Bad odds vs Terrible.

 

[Rich M]

It really only matters for non-res tags let's be honest.

Worse odds sucks for everyone, but charging $3k in 5 plus states simply to apply is a lot.

Really is a debate for hunting becoming Rich vs Avg Joe. Bad odds vs Terrible.

It seems to come down to expectations - does someone expect every year or couple trips in a lifetime?

I don't buy the poor-is-me stuff with some of these guys. They should manage their expectations and keep it within their means. No problem aiming for the stars with the lottery tags and such, but if you go into debt to go hunting, might need to reassess things.

Hunting is a privilege, one that costs money, and takes a lot of time & energy.