Musket Man
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Close enough! lol. Take lots of pics of things other then beaches! Im curious what it looks like. I hear they have some big cattle ranches over there I would like to see some day.
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Will do. We aren't around the cattle ranches. Those are on the Big Island. We are in Waikiki. But I did get some pics of the mountains here. They are freakin steep! But beautiful.
Musket Man
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I wouldnt have expected mountains like that there, but I never been there so Im not sure what I would expect. Get the spotter out, you might turn up a big buck in them mountains yet
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I've Been missing all vegitation for the last 5 months here finally all the snow is gone.Did you miss the vegetation in the bull pics?
extreme minnesotan
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Problem is it's still not his land and the rights to it aren't a perpetuity, it's just lease that could be revoked without cause on any given year. So he basically resulted to stealing to try to prove a point that he can't make bc he didn't want to cap his herd or find another place to put them. I can't see his 150 acre "ranch" holding a thousand head without it being a big feedlot. I've had people die and my grazing leases canceled by their heirs, I don't keep grazing their land for free, although that would be nice, and much cheaper in our area.
Timberstalker
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Congrats on 50 years CC!
IKIC, have fun, the wife and I spent a week in Maui last month. It was a great time, oh and I did spot some deer on our drive around the island. The wife wasn't too impressed, she said "We didn't come to Hawaii to look for deer!"
IKIC, have fun, the wife and I spent a week in Maui last month. It was a great time, oh and I did spot some deer on our drive around the island. The wife wasn't too impressed, she said "We didn't come to Hawaii to look for deer!"
Musket Man
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Its not just a lease. That leased land goes with his deeded land. 150 cows on 150,000 acres or 1000 acres per cow, what kind of joke is that? Alot of guys lost everything buying deeded land with a lease like that and then having the lease taken away or reduced to nearly nothing. Its not right how they just pull the rug out from under people for no reason.
tdub24
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During the work week it seems like I am constantly checking. Days off I get away from it a little, but still check on my phone periodically. Haven't downloaded Tapatalk so I don't know how easy that is.
Drhorsepower
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Congratulations cc! Quite the accomplishment and you sir are my idol! I bet you get asked this all the time but what is the secret?
It's still a lease though which is why he still had to pay for it, he was just the leaseholder. The people who own the land (or their agencies) can change the terms along the way just like they can change lease rates. Bad thing is it looks like the Feds own the public land in NV and the SCOTUS has ruled that as being true, so he has to play by their rules. I don't really think it's right that they change the rules along the way but I also don't think people should be able to make their living on public land like that. What really makes that any different than say an individual leasing mineral rights in Yellowstone and drilling wells?
Musket Man
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Nevada is something like 85% public land. Most, nearly all, ranchers in NV use mostly public land for grazing. When you buy a ranch like this you buy the deeded land it has plus you buy the grazing rights and lease on the public land that comes with it. When the public land it taken away that goes with the deeded land it can make the deeded land almost worthless. Alot of ranchers lost everything because they bought a ranch with grazing rights and then the FS or BLM took the grazing away and at that point its not worth anything close to what they paid for it and they cant run enough cows to make it. The BLM dropped his lease from 1000 cows to 150 cows, an 85% reduction. That is when he stopped paying the lease and this disagreement started. There were 50 some ranches in Clark county before this and the BLM shut every one of them down by reducing their grazing allotment to nearly nothing. Cliven Bundy is the last one in the county now. This isnt about him not paying grazing fees, this is about the BLM being able to do whatever they want without anyone having a say in it.
That's how it'll end up and there is precedent for it from other ranches taking it to court. There's also just so much you can do if the land is indeed worthless without the public grazing rights. If that's the case, you've got to pack up and go elsewhere while still maintaining ownership of that land. The costs of running cattle out West will eventually catch up with the costs of running them in the East. A lot of people will have to sell out and find something else to do, just like they did here.
Colorado Cowboy
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50 years is a long time. Been lots of give and take, but we both have supported each other and that's important. I knew what I was getting when we got married. My wife and I share lots of the same interests and values. We both love the outdoors and travel. She does not hunt, but loves to fish. She loves politics and I don't. It hasn't been perfect, at one point my job had me traveling a lot and it was tough being gone. We just worked thru everything and found a way to make our marriage stronger. The one thing I've learned is communicate!
Just us together now, our son has his own business, single and is traveling all the time. So as long as our health holds out, we do lots of traveling. After Hawaii, its Costa Rica next winter and then probably Alaska next summer.
Been quite a ride.
Musket Man
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I have read people are coming from all over the country. Thinking about going myself if its still going on when I get done planting here. He is getting a bunch of elected officials on his side too. The feds and blm have taken this one to far. This is the United States of America and the federal government done not have unlimited power that We The People have no say in!