OR … they were just naive and still believe in the goodness of their fellow man.
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mallardsx2
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Well then I am a fellow man and I must be good because the though of stealing it never crossed my mind. lol
Although I do feel that after X amount of days the law should do their job then proceed to put an orange tag on the door and anyone should be able to hook up to it and claim title to it and remove it by my "Pirate law" statement earlier.
I dont want someones crap parked on BLM or state forest land, your land, my land, our land, unattended for the season.
That is why there are laws in place.
Also, Please dont take this is me hating on people camping... I'm more than happy to see people camping and enjoying the outdoors.
Its more of a rant against people leaving their junk lying around unattended for more than the allowed timeframe. Whether it is an empty bottle of water or a 60K camper with a tregger grill and honda generator.
Its all left, unattended, junk, to me.
Although I do feel that after X amount of days the law should do their job then proceed to put an orange tag on the door and anyone should be able to hook up to it and claim title to it and remove it by my "Pirate law" statement earlier.
I dont want someones crap parked on BLM or state forest land, your land, my land, our land, unattended for the season.
That is why there are laws in place.
Also, Please dont take this is me hating on people camping... I'm more than happy to see people camping and enjoying the outdoors.
Its more of a rant against people leaving their junk lying around unattended for more than the allowed timeframe. Whether it is an empty bottle of water or a 60K camper with a tregger grill and honda generator.
Its all left, unattended, junk, to me.
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I’ve heard a lot lately about folks getting their animals stolen they have tagged. Taken from camp, back of a pick up bed, and even one of a guy that killed a bull and some other guys that were hunting the same bull ran down to it and put their tag on it! WTH are people thinking? Just insane.
mallardsx2
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That takes a serious idiot to take someones animal.
Bear Spray...
Just saying...I'm that guy. lol
dan maule
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Strong enough words don't exist to describe these folks. I cannot begin to understand the mindset of these thieves.
swampokie
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Sounds like the average day during 2nd rifle in Colorado. The insanity is more than most can grasp
I agree. a law should not be a law if the authorities refuse to enforce it. but passing do nothing laws is what we do in this nation. makes folks feel warm and fuzzy.
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shootbrownelk
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It happened to my nephew 2 seasons ago. He shot a big bull elk a little far back, he got another round in it as it ran through some thick cedars. My nephew was in a bad accident the year before, has artificial hips & knees and doesn't move too fast. He got on a good blood trail from the bull and while moving through the cedars he heard multiple 4 wheelers ahead. By the time he got out of the thick stuff, the 4 wheelers were gone, and so was his bull. There were no shots fired so we know they took the bull when he was already dead. There must have been quite a crew along with a SXS as there was no gut pile, they loaded it whole and scrammed. We reported it to the ranch owner and the G&F warden. Nothing came of it. Sure is sad that people are so desperate that they steal someone else's animal.
Bonecollector
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Personally, if I did not shoot the animal, I don't want it. There are plenty of easy meat hunts to choose from so it's not about not having something to eat. I don't get why anyone would steal someone else's animal unless it was a big trophy deal and they wanted to claim to it, but most of these cases are simply an average animal.
it is a pretty lowlife thing to do BUT I often give away most of the meat anyhow so unless it was a big once in a lifetime trophy , I wouldn't really care if someone else tagged it and took it.
that would allow me to keep hunting.
HuskyMusky
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agreed who wants someone else's trophy?
if all you want is a big head mount on the wall, go find some big matching antlers and have a taxidermist mount em for you.
if all you want is a big head mount on the wall, go find some big matching antlers and have a taxidermist mount em for you.
IDELKFVR
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I have been hunting the same spot for twenty years and there are so many people that there are not enough camp spots. So when i set up camp i am usually there for the duration of the season. My job allows for me to come and go for 4-5 days at a time. sometimes my buddies cant be there when i am there and vis versa. But there is always someone in the camp. The 14 days the forest service tries to enforce is B.S. because you drive to the trail head and i know there are out fitters and horse hunters that set up camps deep in, that never worry about the 14 days so how the forest service can enforce one and not the other is B.S.. But i agree there probably would have been words exchanged if someone set up that close to me and took over my fire pit.
mallardsx2
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The Forest service should confiscate anything and everything after 14 days. That is what should happen. The law should be enforced. Period.
I dont care how many years a person has been camping in the same spot. It doesn't make it right.
I dont care how many years a person has been camping in the same spot. It doesn't make it right.
HighPlainsHunter
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Unfortunately law enforcement on federal land is quite lacking in many cases. I'd love to see that change. We have all seen blatant littering, shooting appliances, off trail driving, etc.. that occurs on federal land regularly. I notice a whole lot less of that behavior on land managed by the states.
shootbrownelk
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There is a lot less of that behavior on State school trust lands because there is a lot less access IMO.
Colorado Cowboy
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In our part of the woods the outfitters have to have a permit to use the National Forests. They pay fees for the permit. If you look at commercial use of public land, I think you'll find permitting and fees in force in most (if not all) National Forests.
I also agree with mallardsx2.
mntnguide
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Outfitters are literally told where they can camp, where they can have corrals etc.. by forest service. They don't just get to do whatever they want like people who have no idea about the industry and how permits work seem to think. An outfitter cannot simply move their camp just cause they want to, they would have to provide a major reason such as a forest fire and then forest service will review the application and if accepted, the forest service will once again tell them exactly where their new spot will be. . Whereas as DIY hunters, we can move our camps freely as we please... so if you are complaining about an outfitter, you aren't trying that hard to get away from them.
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ColoradoV
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Used to be my 90 lb pit bull off leash at all times in the hills kept a eye on things he would never wander out of sight even when animals came through. Seen more than one camp pull in then turn around when he slowly walked over. If that does not work - I send out the troops or 4,6,7,9,11 daughters/cousins w a stereo, strobe headlamps, n glow lights to have a "disco party" once the sun goes down.
Never know how it will turn out - best one I ever had was when I was about 10 years old at a river put in utah.. Our family of 4 was asleep when 20+ jacket wearing hells angles showed up at about 2 am partying very hard. Only us and them at that put in on a indian reservation - in the middle of no where. Parents had a discussion with the leader as they would had the same put in day so we would be out there w em for 7 days. Turns out they were going to have a wedding at a undisclosed location on the river. After a family discussion we put on and other than the extreme parting n fat biker nudity - were fine to be on the river with. We kept our distance but they made it a point to check in every day to make sure we were ok. Wedding went off with out a hitch on about day 4.
I see some camps stay longer but not much of a issue. I guess except my retired 74 year old father is a very bad guy lol. Or he likes to archery elk hunt for up to 20-30 days at a time almost all of the season. Making him move his camper for a night to my uncles private - while I stay there then after a day he comes back is kinda silly.. Seems the forest service guys where we are at least keep a good handle on it and move the folks who are living on the usfs along.
I think if you have a license for the hunt you should be able to hunt it... Or making a guy move with license in hand - is essentially taking away his ability to hunt or limiting him to only 14 days and that is not that fair either.
Never know how it will turn out - best one I ever had was when I was about 10 years old at a river put in utah.. Our family of 4 was asleep when 20+ jacket wearing hells angles showed up at about 2 am partying very hard. Only us and them at that put in on a indian reservation - in the middle of no where. Parents had a discussion with the leader as they would had the same put in day so we would be out there w em for 7 days. Turns out they were going to have a wedding at a undisclosed location on the river. After a family discussion we put on and other than the extreme parting n fat biker nudity - were fine to be on the river with. We kept our distance but they made it a point to check in every day to make sure we were ok. Wedding went off with out a hitch on about day 4.
I see some camps stay longer but not much of a issue. I guess except my retired 74 year old father is a very bad guy lol. Or he likes to archery elk hunt for up to 20-30 days at a time almost all of the season. Making him move his camper for a night to my uncles private - while I stay there then after a day he comes back is kinda silly.. Seems the forest service guys where we are at least keep a good handle on it and move the folks who are living on the usfs along.
I think if you have a license for the hunt you should be able to hunt it... Or making a guy move with license in hand - is essentially taking away his ability to hunt or limiting him to only 14 days and that is not that fair either.
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HighPlainsHunter
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It's not just state trust lands that are not vandalized and abused like federal land. Even state WMA's, HMA's, etc.. that have access are not vandalized due to more accountability for LEOs on a state level. Has nothing to do with allowing camping which is what you are referring to as nobody camps on the BLM where the trash dump is anyway. The difference is the federal LEO is not deterring this activity and enforcing laws. Maybe he has no time, maybe he is lazy, maybe there is no federal LEO in charge of that property. But for whatever reason the laws are not enforced on that piece of federal land like they are on all the surrounding state, city, county, and private land and you can see it with the piles of trash and off road activity with vehicles.
Good example is here in Laramie. South of town the BLM land is a free trash dump, motorcycle and 4 wheeler track, people driving wherever they want off road, etc... There are piles of crap out there from beds, couches, and appliances. The state land nearby does not have the same problems. The city owned property open for public use nearby does not have the same problems the BLM does. The HMA next door does not have the same problems. It's just on the BLM for some reason.