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COgunmoney

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It absolutely does matter, never said it did not matter. I just provided the full context of the quote, which in no way implies that the loss of American lives does not matter.

Hate Hillary all you want, there are valid reasons to oppose her, and I am not here to convince you otherwise. But do you really think she WANTED to kill Americans? You really think she celebrated their death? She was the Sec of State. Regardless of party affiliation, I can't imagine any Sec of State applauding the loss of American life on their watch.
 

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Ok, great, now we are getting somewhere. That is a legitimate argument against her. But I am not a troll for bringing reason to a discussion and providing context for a quote. And that in no way shuts down any discussion that would follow therefrom.
 

COgunmoney

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Yes absolutely, incompetence does matter, and if you see her as incompetent then by all means, vote your conscience. My only point in posting the quote was context - context is critical when discussing quotes.
 

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Haha I am voting for who I feel is best for the job. Who I am voting for is not important, and I did not come here to convince anyone to vote for one candidate or the other. It's the discourse we undertake as a nation that is important in getting to the heart of what really matters. If we as a nation can have educated, civil discussions on the issues that really matter, and put those at the forefront, we will all be better off for it, no matter what party or president leads us.

Whomever wins, they will have my support 100%, because if we cant come together then we are not going anywhere.
 

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we cant (come together) just for the sake of coming together. she is a criminal and above the law. no way will I ever support her. a young man sits in jail for taking pictures in a submarine, leaving wife and kid home alone. what she did and has done is so much further beyond what he did. what happened to her? shes running for president! if you can support someone like that, that's your choice and character. its is our freedom as Americans. God bless us if she wins.
 

COgunmoney

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I never said who I was voting for. Nowhere, in any of my posts, do I say one candidate is any better than the other, or that anyone should vote for any one candidate. If you are extrapolating my bringing reason to a discussion and trying to highlight issues that matter (while never taking an explicit position other than the ACA was a disaster, which isnt a pro-Hillary position....) as a sign I am voting for Hillary, then that says something about the level of discourse you want to have, and that you are capable of.

Vote for who you think is best, but vote on issues that actually affect us. If you think she is a criminal and will do a terrible job, then don't vote for her. However, in this country our constitution guarantees the presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" and there are a few steps she is missing thus far...but, details. You are certainly free, however, to draw your own conclusions and call her a criminal, which is a guaranteed right and makes this country what it is, and for that we can all be happy.

And also, spoiler alert - I did not vote for either of them, as they both suck. I wrote in Mitt Romney, with myself as vice president. I will provide my concession speech at 10pm EST.
 

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It absolutely does matter, never said it did not matter. I just provided the full context of the quote, which in no way implies that the loss of American lives does not matter.

Hate Hillary all you want, there are valid reasons to oppose her, and I am not here to convince you otherwise. But do you really think she WANTED to kill Americans? You really think she celebrated their death? She was the Sec of State. Regardless of party affiliation, I can't imagine any Sec of State applauding the loss of American life on their watch.

yes. yes I do.
 

COgunmoney

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yes. yes I do.
Why do you think that? That's a pretty serious accusation to levy - that one American, a Sec of Defense, wanted an ambassador, an employee of the US State Dept, and other Americans killed on foreign soil?

I'm not patronizing, I am just asking. And for what it's worth, since so many people have asked and accused me of being a Hillary supporter, I did a write-in vote for Mitt Romney, with myself as VP. I handicap my odds to win at 0.000001%.
 
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as a lawyer, you know that that criminals walk free all the time. you also know that money talks in the court system. I didn't accuse you of being pro Hillary. I said (if):). our judicial system is all sorts of messed up. anyway, pulled up on 3 pheasants tonight and watched them fly off into the sunset without touching the trigger.
 
Thanks to everyone who voted for Trump for president. Say what you want but Hillary wanted and would have started to chip away at the second amendment. She would have immediately started with magazines and assault rifles with executive powers.. especially had dems won the house majorities. The main reason she lost is because she is a corrupt establishment liar...PERIOD! and the american people have had enough of bad policy and broken promises. I have never been prouder to be an American than I am today. The people STILL have the power and final say in our country. god bless you all!
 

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Thanks to everyone who voted for Trump for president. Say what you want but Hillary wanted and would have started to chip away at the second amendment. She would have immediately started with magazines and assault rifles with executive powers.. especially had dems won the house majorities. The main reason she lost is because she is a corrupt establishment liar...PERIOD! and the american people have had enough of bad policy and broken promises. I have never been prouder to be an American than I am today. The people STILL have the power and final say in our country. god bless you all!
I'm thinking that she'd go after ammunition first. Huge tax increase, NO internet sales, etc., etc. Moot point now though.
 
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