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[BuzzH]

If their was no value, i.e. Hunters stopped paying the bill, those protections wildlife enjoy will end.
Sorry you can't see the point , where wildlife has value, it has protection.
Take away sport hunters in Africa, see how wildlife fairs.

What I'm sorry about is people failing to see the value in wildlife other than what its worth monetarily....that's sad.

It sure as hell means a lot to me than that...including the wildlife that I cant run a bullet or hook through.

There are lots of tax dollars spent on a variety of habitat, land purchases, habitat enhancements, T&E species management, etc. etc. that are either directly or indirectly done for wildlife that the non-hunting public also pays for.

Hunters do a lot of the lifting, but they aren't the only ones, not by a long shot.

LWCF ring a bell?

 

[480/277]

You could had used song birds in my example... Just sayin'

 

[JimP]

Take away sport hunters in Africa, see how wildlife fairs.

Kenya is a good example in Africa. They banned sport hunting years ago, now the only place that you will find the animals is in the national parks.

 

[BuzzH]

Sounds like a really crappy place to live...as bad as a place where you have to pay a landowner to hunt their private herds of wildlife.

Not for me...and why I wake up everyday glad I live in a place that sees value in wildlife, public lands, and wild places beyond just the money.

There was a time I was intrigued with hunting Africa, the more I learn of it, the less intrigued I am.

This story has left me with less desire than ever of wanting to hunt there.

Think I'll spend my money in North America, for all kinds of good reasons.

 

[480/277]

Sounds like a really crappy place to live...as bad as a place where you have to pay a landowner to hunt their private herds of wildlife.

I have never laughed so hard. Thanks

 

[kidoggy]

Sounds like a really crappy place to live...as bad as a place where you have to pay a landowner to hunt their private herds of wildlife.

Not for me...and why I wake up everyday glad I live in a place that sees value in wildlife, public lands, and wild places beyond just the money.

There was a time I was intrigued with hunting Africa, the more I learn of it, the less intrigued I am.

This story has left me with less desire than ever of wanting to hunt there.

Think I'll spend my money in North America, for all kinds of good reasons.

x-2! I think trump has it right with his s#@$%ole nations comment.
fars I am concerned what happens in africa stays in africa. there is nothing in existence that would get me over there.



that was funny. I wouldn't pay for an outfitter either.
if I can't do it myself , there is no satisfaction.
but that's just me. to each their own.

 

[480/277]

A couple points
First, SA is just a small part of the continent. The wilds of Tanzania, Botswana, Zimbabwe are not the same.
Second, some may see a distinction between paying for a hunt there, and paying for access here, but I don't.
So who own the animals, means nothing if you can't access them.

Last, with each passing year, more land gets leased up or closed.
We are getting closer to the European model than you may like to believe.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

I didn't get tp see it as I was out of town for a regional shoot in Az. I am sure it will air again.

 

[BuzzH]

A couple points
First, SA is just a small part of the continent. The wilds of Tanzania, Botswana, Zimbabwe are not the same.
Second, some may see a distinction between paying for a hunt there, and paying for access here, but I don't.
So who own the animals, means nothing if you can't access them.

Last, with each passing year, more land gets leased up or closed.
We are getting closer to the European model than you may like to believe.

Wow, just wow...I've heard some crazy stuff and then there's the bolded statement.

The ownership of the wildlife is exactly what differentiates the European/Africa model from the NAM.

It doesn't matter if I have legal access to the land. The wildlife, even that found on private, is still held in trust for ALL citizens. I still have a voice in how its taken care of, no matter the ownership of the land.

That is a monumental difference...by a landslide, for more reasons than I have the desire to type.

You want to see some drastic changes in how wildlife is viewed in the US??? Make wildlife a private asset of the landowners...good grief.

 

[480/277]

That's the most naive thing I ever heard Buzz.

I'll just agree to disagree.

 

[BuzzH]

Educate yourself...apparently wildlife ownership was a big enough issue here that it went to the Supreme Court....a long, long time ago.

You can agree to disagree all you want, you're entitled to your opinion, but not your own set of facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqglAucuZ34

 

[480/277]

You as well Buzz. Go on up to Turners ranch and tell them you are there for your elk..... Laughin'

 

[BuzzH]

You as well Buzz. Go on up to Turners ranch and tell them you are there for your elk..... Laughin'

This is funny...

For the record, I worked for Turner from 1998-2000. You know what I saw?

I saw lots of people hunting on his ranches, including locals that weren't paying a dime to do so, and not just for antlerless animals either.

Laffin'....last.

Oh, and I have several friends who hunt/hunted the surrounding public...for State owned wildlife that freely leaves TEI property. Impressive, to say the least.

 

[480/277]

Which ranch Buzz?.....He owes a bunch, and charges for hunts.

Joe public does not have access , fact.
People can't just show up and collect their elk, fact.
TEI decides who hunts there, and for how much. Not the
State, not the public.

 

[BuzzH]

Snowcrest, Redrock, and the 'D....

 

[480/277]

And who permits who gets to hunt those ranches and at what rate? TEI, state, public?

 

[BuzzH]

State issued tag, state owned wildlife.

Access was granted via cooperation with the MTFWP on the 'D...hard to know how many pounds of elk meat the public took off that ranch.

To the best of my knowledge, I never saw a youth hunter turned away at the SC or RR for a WT buck. Lots of old duffers shot does off both places too.

The trouble with bluffing at chit you don't know about...every so often, you just don't pick the right example or the right person to BS.

It happens...admit you're wrong and move on.

 

[480/277]

Maybe you just can't connect dots. I've never had the problem.
Access = ownership in application.
If TEI or any other private landowner chooses ,nobody gets access .
They set terms.


And with every ranch that goes to lease , and every access that gets closed, we get closer to the European model.
We are closer than you think.

 

[BuzzH]

Maybe you just can't connect dots. I've never had the problem.
Access = ownership in application.
If TEI or any other private landowner chooses ,nobody gets access .
They set terms.


And with every ranch that goes to lease , and every access that gets closed, we get closer to the European model.
We are closer than you think.

Nope, nice try though.

Those are mutually exclusive issues, one is about who owns the land, one about who owns the wildlife. Leasing is NOT moving any closer to the European model at all.

The citizens still get to decide what happens to their wildlife, no matter where its found.

The landowner doesn't get to decide season dates, species that can be hunted on their land, cant issue their own permit for their land, cant set bag limits, etc. etc. etc.

Just as the landowner gets to decide who uses their property, WE still get to decide how, when, or even if, they use OUR public wildlife.

Just the way it is...no dot connecting required.

 

[480/277]

I guess you missed the part about in Application....
I stand by it. Access = ownership
And I think everyone that has been on the wrong side of the fence, or unable to access land will agree. If you can't access it, public ownership means nothing.