CNN Film "Trophy"

[kentuckyhunter]

While the public owns the wildlife there are many landowners across the country who act in a way contrary to that. How many times have we heard someone say they want their own property so they can do what they want.

Not agreeing with that attitude but sometimes perception is reality.


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[BuzzH]

I guess you missed the part about in Application....
I stand by it. Access = ownership
And I think everyone that has been on the wrong side of the fence, or unable to access land will agree. If you can't access it, public ownership means nothing.

Keep swinging that mallet.

You can argue application, hypothetical, and that the world is flat...doesn't change the law regarding who owns and controls wildlife in the United States.

Supreme court case law just isn't on your side.

Carry on...

 

[480/277]

Public owns the wildlife.
Landowners are part of the public.
So by definition they own, and have a say on seasons,dates,limits and what they will charge.

As well as who they allow.

 

[dustin ray]

This is what happens when CNN watched

 

[BuzzH]

Public owns the wildlife.
Landowners are part of the public.
So by definition they own, and have a say on seasons,dates,limits and what they will charge.

As well as who they allow.

Nope, the state holds the wildlife in Trust for the citizens of the State where it lives (with no regard to land ownership).

The only time wildlife is owned is when its legally killed and legally tagged with a state issued license.

Sure, the individual landowner has a voice, as a CITIZEN, just like everybody else, to help decision makers with how wildlife is managed.

 

[480/277]

And how many laws have passed that don't work in application.

Texas looks like SA to me. Coming to a state near you...

 

[kidoggy]

this is what happens when cnn watched

that was funny.

 

[kidoggy]

finally watched last night .
will only comment that it was not the anti hunting ,hatchet job I expected but was probably the most fair and balanced thing CNN has ever put forth.(I know, high praise indeed!lol.)


this is merely my opinion ,no more no less but seems to me that both bUZZ and 480/277 are right .
the U.S was not based on the european model BUT there are many who wish it to be so. so 480/277 is right we ARE closer to that model then folks care to admit.

the push for public lands in state hands is but one example of the push to get us there.

I have disagreed with buzz on many things and still do but do have to commend him on becoming knowledgable of the issues conservation faces.
it is something I am ashamed to say ,I have not kept up on as I should. same can be said of majority of hunters. IT'S THE NUMBER 1 REASON IT IS SO EASY FOR THE ANTIS TO DIVIDE US.

THAT is something I am striving to rectify. and one of the biggest reasons I visit and participate in this forum.

disagreement and debate is fine ,healthy and productive but we all must remember who the real enemy is

 

[kidoggy]

And how many laws have passed that don't work in application.

Texas looks like SA to me. Coming to a state near you...

we are a nation of laws . some good , most bad. it is the very nature of man , that if this is good ,more is better.

I thank GOD , each and every day ,that I was blessed to be born in a nation , that has a system in place , that allows it's citizens ,to correct the mistakes of the past.

 

[HuskyMusky]

I thought it was interesting, worth watching at least.

The canned hunts they showed, perhaps were the worst version of those in SA? but those looked horrible, that "hunter" holding his beer and smoking a cigarette, while his gf/wife is there at their spa safari? killing a croc from a pond etc... not much of a hunt/hunter IMO. To save money and hunt in a zoo, no thanks, not for me.

I was undecided on whether selling rhino horn was a good idea, but that rhino guy is going poor trying to protect the rhino, and like the judges in SA were saying...either way the horn is going on the market... might as well be the rhino guy earning the $$ vs. the black market.

They only touched on it for a second, but if a local african farmer etc... has his livestock killed by a lion etc... and doesn't get compensated for that...? what do you expect them to do? they can poach a rhino for $$$, vs. starve/no jobs etc...

I'm sure there is some gov't corruption regarding hunting tags etc... in some countries, however banning hunting doesn't seem like the way to fix this.

Progress, not perfection. Let's keep improving the system, more animals, more to hunt.

Didn't seem like a total hit job on the hunting industry IMO.

 

[480/277]

Kidoggy, you and I have a similar worldview on human nature.

Even Alan Greenspan had to admit that his
flaw was not supply side economics ,
rather it was his failure to take into account human nature.

 

[kidoggy]

Kidoggy, you and I have a similar worldview on human nature.

Even Alan Greenspan had to admit that his
flaw was not supply side economics ,
rather it was his failure to take into account human nature.

people suck! it is the cause of every problem that the world faces.
I have always said, "expect nothing of them and they will never, ever disapoint you."
on extremely rare occasions , they may surprise you.

 

[ScottR]

I haven't watched this yet, based on the conversation it looks like I need to.

 

[mallardsx2]

I watched this last night.

Honestly, it made me pretty sick.

This series pretty much sums up why I dont and never will hunt Africa.

I also love how they say they are hunting free range in the one part. Everything has a fence in Africa. Don't let anyone try to fool you.

All of that aside, the guy that shot the alligator needs punched in the face about 15 times and the guy from Texas also had more money than brains.

You can put powdered sugar on a turd. But its still a turd.