Berger 7mm 195gr Extreme Outer Limits Elite Hunter Bullet (G1=0.754)

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UH what kind of ol cartridge length are you looking at with the 195 berger? Im just not a berger fan what do you think of hornady edl-x bullet? Just to ck anyone can answer my 300 rum is on a long action is the nosler 28 on a shorter action its case length is only a few hundred thousandths shorter so there shouldn't be any diff in action length?
 

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UH what kind of ol cartridge length are you looking at with the 195 berger? Im just not a berger fan what do you think of hornady edl-x bullet? Just to ck anyone can answer my 300 rum is on a long action is the nosler 28 on a shorter action its case length is only a few hundred thousandths shorter so there shouldn't be any diff in action length?
I am still determining the cartridge length, but it will likely be just under 3.70" to keep it in a standard long action magazine box. The normal COAL for the 28 Nosler is 3.340".

If my numbers are correct for the Berger 195, having the bearing surface fully supported by the shoulder, the cartridge length would be 3.464" minimum and 3.712" maximum (NOTE: these numbers are not confirmed). Berger's load data is based on 3.499" cartridge length (195 Berger in the 28 Nosler) to chamber in a standard 28 Nosler. I'll likely go somewhere around 3.650" with a long throat to stay inside the standard length magazine box. I'll have the throat cut a bit deeper than standard for the 195 Berger.

One caveat, I want to find a cartridge length that maximizes the 195 Berger (BC=0.755) but also handles a few other 7mm bullets if possible:

160 grain Nosler Accubond (BC=0.531)
168 grain Barnes LRX (BC=0.550) (for states that adopt "no lead" regulations)
175 grain Nosler Accubond Long Range (BC=0.672)

I don't know much about the ELD-X but perhaps I'll add the 175 grain 7mm ELD-X (BC=0.660) to the list too.

What I have often thought would be interesting is to "zero" my rifle with the long range bullet, in this case the 195 Berger, then do a 200 yard sight-in using the turret dials for a standard Nosler Accubond (or another solid performing hunting bullet). I would normally carry the rifle loaded with the Accubonds for shots up to say 300 yards at the turret settings for that sight in. For longer range shots where you typically have time to laser the range, set up for the shot and dial in, I would slip in the long range bullets (195 Bergers) and dial in the shot.
 
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I think for my sanity, I'd have one load for a hunt. Fewer variables is better for me when that moment comes to squeeze the trigger. But, were I to try that two load strategy, I'd sure do a bunch of range work, between the two, just to make sure some shooting of one load, does not change first shot point of impact for the other.

I have experienced a first shot difference when trying different bullets once, then had the new bullet settle in and shoot consistent from the 2nd shot on. I did have a Barnes X as that second bullet, so whether an anomaly or something related to a monolithic design, I don't know. But I'd sure test to verify.
 

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I think for my sanity, I'd have one load for a hunt. Fewer variables is better for me when that moment comes to squeeze the trigger. But, were I to try that two load strategy, I'd sure do a bunch of range work, between the two, just to make sure some shooting of one load, does not change first shot point of impact for the other.

I have experienced a first shot difference when trying different bullets once, then had the new bullet settle in and shoot consistent from the 2nd shot on. I did have a Barnes X as that second bullet, so whether an anomaly or something related to a monolithic design, I don't know. But I'd sure test to verify.
That is a very good point Tim about the first shot difference. Thanks for that input.
 

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nope, I used to have one in the chamber and one between my fingers but got stupid and shot 2 antelope that way. Packing two at once was my second mistake that evening.
 

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UH I have a std mag well an fit 3.600 oal cartridge with a little room left not much though. An Im with WB if Im hunting I use one load if I change I ck zero but I never have to adjust zero it has allways been on.
 

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In the past I have had pretty good luck with nosler accubond matching up good with like weight ballistic tips in a 30/06AI and my 300wsm. have a sierra 117 load that matches my berger 115gr load in 25/06, but have never shot these loads over 550yds. the 300wsm I have shot both out 900yds.

this sounds like a nice build hope to keep seeing more on it to come...
 

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UH this is a barnes 168 ttsx after it hit steel at 1050 yds 300 rum 3280 fps shot my elk at 508 yds with that same load pass though the elk braking the front leg on the opposite side mobal 252.jpg
 

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Bob Beck is a stand up guy, id reach out to him if you have any issues..
 

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I bought a new toy today, a 28 Nosler from Nosler. I'm topping it with a 6x24x50 Vortex Viper illuminated. I've shot a 300 Win. for 30 years,and just decided to try something on the wild side! Can't wait to see what it will do..
 

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I bought a new toy today, a 28 Nosler from Nosler. I'm topping it with a 6x24x50 Vortex Viper illuminated. I've shot a 300 Win. for 30 years,and just decided to try something on the wild side! Can't wait to see what it will do..
One thing to keep your eye on is the twist rate if you want to shoot the high BC bullets. My son wants a long range rifle and I was thinking that a Nosler rifle might be a neat option for him if it saved potentially him some money. In a very brief and preliminary check of the Nosler M48 showed it has a 1-9" twist which is too slow to fully stabilize the highest BC 7mm bullets.
 
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UH, did you ask them if they will make one with a 1-8" or if your son could send them a barrel? They may be amenable as I am sure they want 28's out there for the buzz right now.
 

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UH, did you ask them if they will make one with a 1-8" or if your son could send them a barrel? They may be amenable as I am sure they want 28's out there for the buzz right now.
I haven't asked them if they would do that. I am pretty sure the top end of his budget would be around $1500 or so and I would like something he could tweak the performance on as he has the resources. Any thoughts?

I did call Nosler and ask for a couple sample of the 28 Nosler brass and the long range Accubonds to do the chambering/throat on a custom rifle (mine) and they wouldn't send samples. Hornady wouldn't send bullet samples either. Both Berger and Barnes were on it when I asked for samples. The 195 Bergers got to me in a couple of days.
 

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When at all in doubt I look to Bryan Litz. With Berger now. Scroll down to find the forum to find remarks by Bryan Litz. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/07/over-stabilization-of-bullets-why-is-too-much-spin-a-problem/.

http://www.bergerbullets.com/bryan-litz/ His Applied Ballistics Book is almost a bible to many, in it he does talk about excessive spin as leading to degraded accuracy, as I recall.

He suggests the answer to over stabilization is that it is not an issue. But I have seen opinions all over the place. With the velocities you may run, you might want to consider excessive spin, in lighter bullets. Bet you can email him at Berger. I do know I went with a 1-9" in my 280, it works great with 140's at well over 3,050fps, and handles everything up to 175's so far, but your 28 is another matter. I went with the faster twist, for a 280, expressly for 150-160-168 pills, over lighter bullets. Settled on 145 LRX, so what the heck do I really know...
 

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My 1-9 shoots Barnes 140's very well, shot the Berger 180 pretty good and will probably shoot 195's but I may wait on those till next year. My next barrel will be a 1-8.