WY Proposed Grizzly season
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HighPlainsHunter
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I'm right there with you. Amazing to compare that tag price to others. I am not aware of any NR tag that is 6k or a resident tag that is $600. Gotta be the most expensive draw tag in the country.
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Hilltop
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I won't be putting in for the tag but I'm really happy we are going to have a season! Hopefully after a few years of being hunted the bears will start to fear humans and we will have fewer attacks happening.
mallardsx2
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Nonresidents will have to pay $6,000
While residents will pay $600
LOL
I know 1 non-resident who will NOT pay 6K for the tag. This guy.
I paid a fortune to go shark fishing one time. I was successful had a great time and afterwards I felt like it wasn't worth the money...
I would rather spend that 6K on 6 DIY Colorado Elk Hunts with friends and I wish I had that Shark money in my retirement investments....lol
Comparing it to other Grizzly hunts in the world though I see that it is a "value" at 6K.
While residents will pay $600
LOL
I know 1 non-resident who will NOT pay 6K for the tag. This guy.
I paid a fortune to go shark fishing one time. I was successful had a great time and afterwards I felt like it wasn't worth the money...
I would rather spend that 6K on 6 DIY Colorado Elk Hunts with friends and I wish I had that Shark money in my retirement investments....lol
Comparing it to other Grizzly hunts in the world though I see that it is a "value" at 6K.
Prerylyon
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Not my bag, but cool to see some management of the population providing a hunting opportunity for those with interest, deep pockets aside. [emoji6]
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Prerylyon
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No chit! Them darn things don't just eat black angus! [emoji233] They eat human too!
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wycathunter
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JimP
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The first year would be the best draw to get into.
Starting in year 2 point creep will really begin.
Starting in year 2 point creep will really begin.
ore hunter
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Im out at 6k for a non-res tag.though id be willing to pay the $600 res price for a griz.I know right where to go,,don't need no guides,,,unit 83 elk has a monster in there to be had.guess this isn't gonna be a blue collar d I y priced hunt.
tim
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The cost is the cost, lots and lots of people can afford the hunt. lots.
what I am curious about is, wether the hunt will actually occur. I can see this being postponed in the courts.
what I am curious about is, wether the hunt will actually occur. I can see this being postponed in the courts.
HighPlainsHunter
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That may be the reality in the not to distant future.
Simply raising the amount a person had to front for the draw on species like griz, goats, sheep, and prize deer/antelope units could change draw odds considerably as well as raise more $ from tag sales. I'm not sure if that's a good thing. But I'm poor, so I have a different perspective.
This seems like a step in that path.
Part of this is simply a novelty price. At this moment we are the only lower 48 state to offer this tag, which supply vs. demand.
HighPlainsHunter
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That's my concern. If we let supply/demand determine tag prices that is a problem IMO. This seems to be a step down that path.
Next we could see sheep and goat tags in the 5-10k range. Having to front that much $ will price people out, improve odds for those who can front that kind of $, and make more $ from tag sales for the states. I can totally see this $6,000 NR griz tag leading to more changes for other highly sought after tags.
Yell Co AR Hunter
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Too late...that horse has been out of the barn for a long time. MT, UT, WY, CO, NM, AZ, OR etc...all have governors/commission/landowner, etc. tags for sheep, moose, goat, deer, elk, pronghorn, bison tags that sell for way more than 6k.
That's why some of us stepped up to the plate and opposed this chit of special set aside of licenses for anyone, for any reason. These programs were sold to the public as a way to raise funding for wildlife, which they do. However, when you look at any of those States, the money raised for what we (the average hunting public) are giving up, is some of the best opportunity and wildlife that exists in each State. Is it worth it to give up the best of the best for a dude with a fat wallet? I don't believe it is and here's why....the money isn't that significant when you look at the over-all GF budgets.
I'll use Wyoming for an example. We give up 5 each of moose, sheep, bison and another 15 elk, deer, and pronghorn for Governors tags. That's 30 licenses and there isn't even a million generated per year. The GF budget for a year is in the neighborhood of 74-78 million.
Wyoming sells roughly 216,000 NR big-game licenses a year...another 90,000 small game/bird licenses. So just in hunting licenses, we're in the neighborhood of 300,000.
By simply raising each of the those licenses $1.50 we're talking $450,000 in revenue. I would guess by raising the conservation stamp , archery stamp, and fishing licenses a $1 each we would surpass the amount of revenue raised by peddling 30 of our best tags to the fat wallet dudes. Allowing these people to cut to the front of the line, year after year, and hunt the best animals Wyoming has to offer.
I'd rather throw the GF another Lincoln ($5 bill) a year to cover that revenue and see 30 more average guys get to hunt Wyoming.
Of course there's also the fact that the GF does not directly receive all the money from the sale of the Governors tags, and that 20-40% (depending on species) is skimmed off the top. So, the actual benefit to wildlife and habitat is only 60-80% of the total take on Governors licenses.
There is a reason why one of the Sisters of the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation is equal access to wildlife by all citizens.
IMO, once we started down the path of things like Governors tags, raffle tags, transferable landowner tags, outfitter sponsored tags, set asides of any tags for any special interest, we made a huge mistake that is in direct conflict with the North American Model.
The other thing I constantly hear is how these fat wallet guys are so "generous" and "doing so much for wildlife" when they purchase these tags. Sorry if I'm unimpressed with their diluted version of what philanthropy is...if they were true champions of the wildlife they claim to care so much about, they wouldn't expect a sheep, moose, goat, bison, elk, deer, or pronghorn tag for coughing up some money in support of wildlife.
Its also curious to me, that the wildlife they benefit from, was paid for, brought back from historically low numbers, and managed before there was a such thing as a governors tag, raffle tag, etc...was all paid for by average guys. People like our fathers, grandfathers, who paid their fair share, donated their time and money...and didn't expect anything extra for their efforts. They stood in line with everyone else and didn't run to the Legislature to ask for tag set asides, special privileges, or anything else. They did it because they cared and wanted a future for wildlife, wildlife habitat, and future generations.
Sadly, the money and greed involved with hunting has completely bastardized one of the last things that I ever thought would be corrupted...and wayyy too many people sat/sit back and don't do so much as write a letter, send an email, make a phone call or even whimper as it continues to happen. Happened again in Wyoming this year...another 80 pronghorn tags gone to special interests.
Complacency comes with consequences...and we reap what we sow.
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