No, Nugent isn't the enemy. However, being a radical and acting like a dumba** is rarely helpful and works counter to the cause. No matter which side you're on.
Uncle Ted...
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stevevan
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Uncle Teddy should stick to rock and roll! He just doesn't project the image of the hunting public.
laxwyo
Very Active Member
Radical loons are as big of a problem as liberals. They project a poor image that can impact public's opinion. If you want a good example, look at radical Muslims. Have they not changed the opinion of your average average?
Murdy
Active Member
You usually win in American politics by appealing to reasonable people in the center who haven't made up their minds yet. Usually, people on the extreme sides of an issue aren't going to change their mind. Over-the-top ranting and name calling is rarely helpful.
I'm not here to defend Ted Nugent but name one other spokesman for the hunting community in the entire country who even comes close to him when it comes to defending the hunting and trapping community and he consistently does it on many national public venues. Wayne LaPierre does it forcefully for gun owners and somewhat for sportsmen, but other than that there is no one. There is no one.
And I don't consider myself or most on this forum as average hunters. We would likely be labelled as hunting fanatics or extremists by most of the non hunting community. The liberal dems do not just consider Nugent a radical loon...they consider all of us as blood thirsty radical loons. Your president has stated that we are fanatics clinging to our guns and bibles.
And I don't consider myself or most on this forum as average hunters. We would likely be labelled as hunting fanatics or extremists by most of the non hunting community. The liberal dems do not just consider Nugent a radical loon...they consider all of us as blood thirsty radical loons. Your president has stated that we are fanatics clinging to our guns and bibles.
ceby7
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Randy Newberg has gone to battle for sportsmen more often and in a entirely more productive fashion than Ted could ever dream of. Difference is; Randy is a hunter conservationist, Ted is a blood-thirsty, arrogant, Tea-Bag loving killer.
That's my point. I'm sure Randy Newberg is a great guy along with many others but I've never heard of him before. Nugent is a household name and therefore is able to get out his pro-hunting - trapping - gun ownership message. He may not be the perfect poster boy but I know of no one else that can get out the pro-hunting message to the non-hunting public like he does. I'll google Mr. Newberg and learn more about him.
By the way the name calling your doing is right in line with what Murdy just posted.
Go over to the Hunt Talk forum and you'll see what he's all about. I'll echo what ceby7 said as he does done a TREMENDOUS amount of good things for hunters and fisherman. Politicians are always trying to come up with dumb things that will hurt sportsmen and he is almost always on top of it and bringing those issues up so that sportsmen can fight them. I highly doubt you'll find a host of a hunting TV show out there who has done more good for the DIY, public land hunter.
Hilltop
Veteran member
I'm not ready to tar and feather the guy but I do hope he is held accountable for his actions. I have a respect for anyone who is willing to fight with us to maintain our rights but I don't feel he is the right spokesman to represent both the gun owning community and the hunting community in one fell swoop. The NRA needs to take a hard look at the fallout- it could be pretty damaging to keep him. There are a ton of celebrities who hunt and feel strongly about our rights. Surely the NRA can find a new individual to fill this role. My fear in this is that keeping him will weaken the NRA in the long run- not something any of us wants to see.
badgerbob
Active Member
I'm not in favor of backing anyone guilty of game violations or lying to dodge the draft. If someone has prof he did these things, I would be interested. As for him being a radical, he is. And that was my original point, we need to fight fire with fire. There are plenty of radicals who would be happy to remove our rights to own firearms or to hunt. Hunters tend to be a private sort. They would rather just be left alone and allowed to engage in their sport. Anti hunters, on the other hand, tend to take advantage, point fingers and make unfounded accusations. It's kind of nice someone will lash back. I've heard Ted take them on. He doesn't get stumped easily and stands his ground. I certainly don't agree with the things he has been accused of here, but I think he is working for us. BB
luckynv
Active Member
Not a defender of Ted but I think the Alaska poaching thing was a really goofy violation that even the Judge who heard the case did not know or understand. Not sure of the California issue. We do need all the "Positive" press that can can get though. Tearing down others to further our cause looks fruitless, Singing to the Choir!! God bless
Colorado Cowboy
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The California violation was baiting deer while hunting. From what I read he baited an area with corn (which is legal in Texas where he lives, but not in California) and got bust by California Wardens.
We have read about these violations by hunting show hosts/celebrities recently and IMHO there is no excuse for them. Their producers and guides should know the rules in the states they are hunting in. I like to M/L hunt deer & elk and when I plan on hunting a different state from my own, I research the new states laws regarding M/L equipment, and believe me they are all different.
Should the states & localities where these folks hunt turn a blind eye or give a break to the celebs......I think not! They should set an example and obey all the laws. I've seen lots of photos and tv shows where the hunter has their picture taken without wearing their blaze orange hat or vest. How does anybody know if they were actually wearing what was required when they were hunting? I've also seen plenty of unsafe gun handling on film too. These shows and hosts should set the example.
Just sayin..........
We have read about these violations by hunting show hosts/celebrities recently and IMHO there is no excuse for them. Their producers and guides should know the rules in the states they are hunting in. I like to M/L hunt deer & elk and when I plan on hunting a different state from my own, I research the new states laws regarding M/L equipment, and believe me they are all different.
Should the states & localities where these folks hunt turn a blind eye or give a break to the celebs......I think not! They should set an example and obey all the laws. I've seen lots of photos and tv shows where the hunter has their picture taken without wearing their blaze orange hat or vest. How does anybody know if they were actually wearing what was required when they were hunting? I've also seen plenty of unsafe gun handling on film too. These shows and hosts should set the example.
Just sayin..........
Hilltop
Veteran member
BB, I have no proof of anything you mention but am not referring to any of that in my message. I have a real issue with the racist stance he is taking. IMO there is no place for that in large organizations trying to protect our rights. I believe that will create more enemies than friends.
ceby7
Active Member
The problem for hunters is not trying to find a spokesman or woman to lash back at the anti-hunters. In order for hunters to protect what we cherish we need to reach the middle of the aisle folks, the non-hunters. I'm positive that Mr. Nugent in fact does more harm for hunting than good. He sways a lot more non-hunters towards antis rather than recruiting new hunters. I mean when I look at him I say to my self, if that's what a hunter looks like, count me out.
The whole argument that he's our best ally simply because everyone knows his name is misguided. There are plenty of hunters out there with platforms available to them to help spread the right message about hunting. Newberg, Steven Rinella, Jim Shockey and Cam Hanes are just a few who are doing a great job representing hunting in a positive light who also reach a far greater audience combined than Nugent. Look at what Eva Shockey and Jana Waller and a handful of other women are doing for bringing women into the sport. Do you think many women look at Nugent and then say to themselves, I think I want to be a hunter?
I agree that the folks you mentioned are all good for the sport of hunting but when you mention their name to the average non-hunting individual their names are completely unrecognizable. It's insider baseball. Unfortunately the sportsmen of America have no spokesmen, other than Nugent, with the name recognition that will garner attention from folks outside of our chosen recreation of hunting, trapping, etc.
The media (starting with the movie Bambi) and the liberal democrat politicians are the ones who define the narrative that hurts our sport. We need someone who's nationally famous among the masses to be a representative for our sport who can combat the liberal media and the liberal dems.