Trumps affect on conservation

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buckbull

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The chummy relationship between trump's team and don peay scares the hell out of me.
 

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I think it's premature to make judgements what he will or won't do in relation to policies on federal land ownership and conservation issues. Congress is where we have to have worries, which means we have to keep in touch with our representatives with our views. It's great the one of his sons hunts, this surely will help.
 

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I think it's premature to make judgements what he will or won't do in relation to policies on federal land ownership and conservation issues. Congress is where we have to have worries, which means we have to keep in touch with our representatives with our views. It's great the one of his sons hunts, this surely will help.
I suggest you look at his possible appointees to his cabinet before you say it's premature to worry. They are oil and gas executives, political insiders, and climate change deniers. They are also damaging to clean air and water. They are very worrisome at this point, and this could be a rough 4 years for our environment and wildlife of those being considered are put in places of power. You might keep your public lands for the most part, which is good, but it's concerning they may be trashed by industry and our wildlife and wild places are put in jeprody because we as people on this planet should have the right to tear every wild place from limb to limb in the name of progress and development. Currently his choices for several postitions are concerning. I want to give him a chance, but we're off to a rough start here, not only on these issues but policies he's already embracing and talking about and his two main advisors he's picked, one of which is truly despicable and the other who's been a spineless member of the establishment that Trump was supposedly going to drain. I fear the only swamp hell drain is the one I duck hunt on at this point.
 

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I suggest you look at his possible appointees to his cabinet before you say it's premature to worry. They are oil and gas executives, political insiders, and climate change deniers. They are also damaging to clean air and water. They are very worrisome at this point, and this could be a rough 4 years for our environment and wildlife of those being considered are put in places of power. You might keep your public lands for the most part, which is good, but it's concerning they may be trashed by industry and our wildlife and wild places are put in jeprody because we as people on this planet should have the right to tear every wild place from limb to limb in the name of progress and development. Currently his choices for several postitions are concerning. I want to give him a chance, but we're off to a rough start here, not only on these issues but policies he's already embracing and talking about and his two main advisors he's picked, one of which is truly despicable and the other who's been a spineless member of the establishment that Trump was supposedly going to drain. I fear the only swamp hell drain is the one I duck hunt on at this point.
Look at who has misused the endangered species act in every way possible over the last 2 decades to promote and protect predators that destroy our wildlife. Look at who has done everything to stop logging and caused millions of acres to burn. Its not the republicans.
 

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Look at who has misused the endangered species act in every way possible over the last 2 decades to promote and protect predators that destroy our wildlife. Look at who has done everything to stop logging and caused millions of acres to burn. Its not the republicans.
Republicans sure as hell haven't done our wildlife any favors, so don't preach to me on who's been worse. I'll agree the ESA has been used improperly, but at least democrats believe protecting habitat, wetlands, etc is important. Republicans undermine conservation, wildlife, and wild places at every turn.
 

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What have the democrats done that has actually protected habitat?
I'm not going to go back and forth with you on it, there is an obvious side who isn't by any means perfect but is absolutely better on conservation and wildlife than the other in the world we live in today. That is all MM.
 

dustin ray

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more smier BS !! nobody knows whats going to happen F&S is like reading the new York times. Just like OBummer said we will have to see what happens
 

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I suggest you look at his possible appointees to his cabinet before you say it's premature to worry. They are oil and gas executives, political insiders, and climate change deniers. They are also damaging to clean air and water. They are very worrisome at this point, and this could be a rough 4 years for our environment and wildlife of those being considered are put in places of power. You might keep your public lands for the most part, which is good, but it's concerning they may be trashed by industry and our wildlife and wild places are put in jeprody because we as people on this planet should have the right to tear every wild place from limb to limb in the name of progress and development. Currently his choices for several postitions are concerning. I want to give him a chance, but we're off to a rough start here, not only on these issues but policies he's already embracing and talking about and his two main advisors he's picked, one of which is truly despicable and the other who's been a spineless member of the establishment that Trump was supposedly going to drain. I fear the only swamp hell drain is the one I duck hunt on at this point.
Here are some of the appointments he is considering. Cynthia Lummis is on the list for Secretary of Interior. That would be a disaster! http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/who-is-in-president-trump-cabinet-231071
 

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Republicans sure as hell haven't done our wildlife any favors, so don't preach to me on who's been worse. I'll agree the ESA has been used improperly, but at least democrats believe protecting habitat, wetlands, etc is important. Republicans undermine conservation, wildlife, and wild places at every turn.
that is not true.republicans ,for the most part are the ones who work, play and live on these ,lands.they have much more at stake and much more hands on knowledge of what is and isn't good for the environment then the demigods who for the most part live in cities and couldn't even tell you the difference between a cow and a wolf.
democrats care nothing about such things. they use those things as a means to control those who disagree with their ideals. just a means to use for the goal of gun control and ultimately total control of masses, who ,in their eyes , are just deplorables incapable of making wise decisions.



hunters are the worlds greatest ,conservationists. and like it or not we are predominately , conservatives, or republicans.
 
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mntnguide

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Politics and Religion. 2 things that should be kept out of hunting camps, and obviously forums, because no matter what. .nobody will agree. .you have zero evidence of what will happen under Trump's presidency until it happens, so making assumptions is just trying to stir a pointless fire

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I know one thing for certain, the current policies of the US Tree Painting Service (US Forest Service) aren't doing anything for fire safety in the forests around my home. The dead trees from the Bark Beetle kill almost 10 years ago are piled so densely that it's literally impossible to go in to some areas, the next time we get a fire it's going to be devastating here in SW Montana. All they have to do is approve a few contracts to clear out the deadfalls and everybody wins; more jobs, more profit for the Forest Service, more profit for the locals, and greater protection against uncontrolled wildfires but with all the environmental protection red tape they never get the job done. Hell, just change the rules and pay the locals to cut dead trees and it would help.
 
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oneye

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I'm not going to go into several posts here that are oversimplifications and lumping things into one pile when they are lumping too many things in one basket. Here's the bottom line, once things are in motion, many times it is too late to get involved. Trump picking anti-public land, anti-conservation minded people for his panel will be a bad thing for sportsmen and what makes our lifestyle possible. Getting involved once they start pushing things through congress, will be too late. Once things are set in motion, many times it's too late to change minds or stop them. Reach out and be sure to let these people he chooses know immediately what you as a sportsmen want for our public lands. There has to be a little foresight to stop the ball on some things before it begins. Stay involved.
 

highplainsdrifter

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I know one thing for certain, the current policies of the US Tree Painting Service (US Forest Service) aren't doing anything for fire safety in the forests around my home. The dead trees from the Bark Beetle kill almost 10 years ago are piled so densely that it's literally impossible to go in to some areas, the next time we get a fire it's going to be devastating here in SW Montana. All they have to do is approve a few contracts to clear out the deadfalls and everybody wins; more jobs, more profit for the Forest Service, more profit for the locals, and greater protection against uncontrolled wildfires but with all the environmental protection red tape they never get the job done. Hell, just change the rules and pay the locals to cut dead trees and it would help.

Sorry, but all you people that think the federal government is the answer to our problems are just plain stupid. They've proven for decades that big government is incompetent and unresponsive and I'm tired of having to suffer the consequences of your ignorance.
I profoundly disagree and resent being called stupid!!
 

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I know one thing for certain, the current policies of the US Tree Painting Service (US Forest Service) aren't doing anything for fire safety in the forests around my home. The dead trees from the Bark Beetle kill almost 10 years ago are piled so densely that it's literally impossible to go in to some areas, the next time we get a fire it's going to be devastating here in SW Montana. All they have to do is approve a few contracts to clear out the deadfalls and everybody wins; more jobs, more profit for the Forest Service, more profit for the locals, and greater protection against uncontrolled wildfires but with all the environmental protection red tape they never get the job done. Hell, just change the rules and pay the locals to cut dead trees and it would help.

Sorry, but all you people that think the federal government is the answer to our problems are just plain stupid. They've proven for decades that big government is incompetent and unresponsive and I'm tired of having to suffer the consequences of your ignorance.
find a new forum or watch your tone. there is such thing as debates without name calling. but you got my ears perked.... what consequences have you had to endure thorough our ignorance? lots and lots of public land to hunt? not having to pay high dollars to hunt someone's ranch?
 
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