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Point banking revisited..
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Colorado Cowboy
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I really don't have an opinion on what should be done to lower the number of hunters with high point totals. I have 12 for elk and expect to use mine next year. I usually use my deer points when they get to 5 or 6 , the usual number necessary to draw the unit I usually hunt.
What really disappoints me is that we don't set up a system to average a parties points when applying for a group/party hunt. I really like Wyoming's system of point averaging and can see no real reason why CPW is against it.
What really disappoints me is that we don't set up a system to average a parties points when applying for a group/party hunt. I really like Wyoming's system of point averaging and can see no real reason why CPW is against it.
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mallardsx2
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WapitiBob
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Worst scheme ever devised for a draw system. You think creep is bad now, wait till a bunch of guys start jumping ahead of the lower point guys 2 or 3 times before their points get used up.
Winchester
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During the March Commissioner’s Meeting CPW’s staff recommended against both and the Commissioner’s accepted that but ask them to bring back alternative’s to the next meeting … hard to tell what they’ll do with these alternatives.
JimP
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All point banking will do is to compound the problem of point creep instead of moving the applicants through the system. If I hadn't used all my points for both deer and elk a few years ago I would have over 20 points for each right now. I see no problem in drawing a lesser hunt with 10 points but there is something wrong with me being able to draw that hunt with 10 points and then being able to put in for that same hunt the next year and drawing it again. Points should be use them and they are gone.
I would however like to see point averaging. I see no problem with someone with a lot of points helping someone with lesser points draw a unit as a group. But once again you use your points and you loose your points.
I would however like to see point averaging. I see no problem with someone with a lot of points helping someone with lesser points draw a unit as a group. But once again you use your points and you loose your points.
mallardsx2
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Thats not much different than banking imho...Its glorified line cutting and takes away from the person who has been saving up to draw the tag and it's a system that is ripe for abuse. Wyoming as a great example of that.... people are using points of others to hunt the same unit year after year after year. One guy in particular hunted Region G like 8 years in a row by working that little scheme.... How is that fair?
Winchester
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I don't have a problem with either ... if you saved the points you should be able to use them however you want.
Cool in concept, but might create a lot of disruption at the bottom end of things.
disabled combat vet
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Ok I'm stupid, so can someone please explain to me in simple terms what point banking is and the pros and cons??
JimP
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Point banking is only using the amount of points that is needed to draw a tag for a unit that you have more than enough to draw that tag.
So let's say that you have 20 points and you find a unit that you want to hunt that the max points is only 5 points. You put in for that unit and when you draw it they only subtract 5 points from your 20 leaving you with 15 points in the bank.
So if you decided to use your points for that same unit the next year then you spend 5 points to draw the tag leaving you with 10 in the bank.
Those are a couple of extremes as far as what you might have and what unit that you might want to draw.
Now for point averaging, lets say that you have 20 points, Joe your buddy only has 2 points and you decide to put in for a unit that requires 10 points to draw. You take your 20 points and add Joe's 2 points for 22 points then average it down to 11 points for the both of you. So while you could of drawn that unit on your own you helped Joe by 8 or 9 years of points getting him all the way up to 11 points.
Now to throw a real wrench into that lets say that they allow point banking and point averaging, depending on how they would set that up you would only use 9 of your points to drop your total down to 1 point in the bank and since Joe used up all 2 of his points and 9 of yours he would drop back to 0.
Are you totally confused now?
So let's say that you have 20 points and you find a unit that you want to hunt that the max points is only 5 points. You put in for that unit and when you draw it they only subtract 5 points from your 20 leaving you with 15 points in the bank.
So if you decided to use your points for that same unit the next year then you spend 5 points to draw the tag leaving you with 10 in the bank.
Those are a couple of extremes as far as what you might have and what unit that you might want to draw.
Now for point averaging, lets say that you have 20 points, Joe your buddy only has 2 points and you decide to put in for a unit that requires 10 points to draw. You take your 20 points and add Joe's 2 points for 22 points then average it down to 11 points for the both of you. So while you could of drawn that unit on your own you helped Joe by 8 or 9 years of points getting him all the way up to 11 points.
Now to throw a real wrench into that lets say that they allow point banking and point averaging, depending on how they would set that up you would only use 9 of your points to drop your total down to 1 point in the bank and since Joe used up all 2 of his points and 9 of yours he would drop back to 0.
Are you totally confused now?
disabled combat vet
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No it actually makes sense now, I guess everyone has their own idea of what they prefer I guess...... I'm not so sure about either one personally.
HuskyMusky
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Maybe they're trying to avoid guys drawing 1 and done and not getting back in the system?? $$$$ ??
Part of me thinks, KISS, keep it simple stupid.
What's next, non-res get 5 points since they pay 10x more?
Part of me thinks, KISS, keep it simple stupid.
What's next, non-res get 5 points since they pay 10x more?
RICMIC
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We used the point averaging on a guided elk hunt in WY in 2017. Two of us had more than enough pts. to draw, but 4 others had been getting points for a few years less and had never hunted out west before. I had done all the ground work, and we applied as a party, and burned all of our points. I was able to draw a tag for this past fall with the 4 pts. that I have accumulated since then for a solo hunt.
Jim P - I seem to recall that CO used to have point banking years ago, did they?
Jim P - I seem to recall that CO used to have point banking years ago, did they?
JimP
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I don't recall if Colorado ever had point banking, at least I never read about it nor did I even think of something like that.
Cow tags could be had every year and the premium bull units took quite a few points to draw. Deer didn't go to a full on draw until 94 or 95.
Cow tags could be had every year and the premium bull units took quite a few points to draw. Deer didn't go to a full on draw until 94 or 95.
Winchester
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RICMIC
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Thank you Winchester. 2006 was my first guided elk hunt in CO. I hunted in unit 43, and also had a deer tag.
My first DIY hunt in CO was in 1979, and my hunting partner and I just stopped at the F&G headQ in Denver and bought both OTC. The area that we hunted now requires max deer points. We came back with tag soup, and only $4 between us (and no credit cards).
RICMIC
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Here's the bull that I shot in 2006. That outfitter hasn't posted any pics of bigger elk since then, so I guess that I was lucky. The year before he had clients shoot 3 bucks over 190" (he had the mounts that had just been returned by the taxi). The deer hunting has dropped way off since then.