Winchester
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Assuming you'll purchase en Elk Preference Point this year you may have a chance for GMU 61 (rifle) next year if that's something you're interested in.
Looking at 2019
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I was looking at the stats for last year and there were none for 61 3rd & 4th season rifle. In the annual pref point issue of Colorado Outdoors it says "float" which usually indicates it was combined with another unit. In this years regs it shows 3rd & 4th season bull tags for 61 this year. I am assuming it was split off and no stats exist for last year.
JimP
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Looking at the statistics page for unit 61 they lumped 2nd, 3rd, and 4th seasons all together for some stupid reason. But when they show that it was a float as far as permits it just means that the tags float between the seasons in the same unit.
Last year 2018 it took a minimum 11 resident points to draw a bull tag in all the three seasons and 12 points for 1st season. Muzzle loader was 17 points for a sure tag.
Last year 2018 it took a minimum 11 resident points to draw a bull tag in all the three seasons and 12 points for 1st season. Muzzle loader was 17 points for a sure tag.
JimP
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A lot of states should factor in the applicants age but very few do.
This is the first time that I have heard that a state up in the NE corner of the US does.
This is the first time that I have heard that a state up in the NE corner of the US does.
Okbow87
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Winchester
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Small correction, in 2018 it took 11 resident points to draw a bull tag in the new Early Rifle season ... but it only took 9 resident points for the three seasons (2nd, 3rd, 4th) according to the Statistics page on the CP&W website. That's why I thought it might be an option for CC.
JimP
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At 9 points it was 75 tags out of 85 applicants and at 10 it was 15 out of 18 for some reason. At 11 points it was 13 out of 13. That is why I said 11 points. I am not sure what happened to 3 applicants that had 10 points but if I wanted to make sure that I drew I would have at least 11 points. Sometimes the odds just don't work in your favor.
Winchester
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Looking at Jim's post, you can get the realization of why it is so difficult to "play" the point game. Last year in Wyoming I applied for my buck deer tag. I have max points for a NR. In 2017, the regular license required max points and about 80% were drawn. The special tag everyone with max points drew and several with less than max also drew a tag. I decided to apply for the special tag and didn't get one, as only 60% drew a tag. In the regular tag drawing 100% of max point applicants drew and several with less than max also drew a tag. Go figure..................
This year I am applying for a regular tag.
This year I am applying for a regular tag.
JimP
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Yep, you really have to look at the points and play the game right. I hate the way Wyoming does the "special" draw and the regular draw. You just never know how it is going to turn out. Last year I had enough points to draw a regular antelope tag but enough point holders moved to the regular draw where now it takes 1 more point to hit max points, who know what this year will be like.
On the Colorado points you really need to get into the points where it is 1:1 and above to make sure that you draw the tag if you want to start planning on hunting it earlier than when the draws come out. I did that on both my ML elk tag in 61 when 15 was 1:1 but I went into it with 17 points. I also did it on my unit 44 late season deer tag. I had 15 points when it only required 12.
On the Colorado points you really need to get into the points where it is 1:1 and above to make sure that you draw the tag if you want to start planning on hunting it earlier than when the draws come out. I did that on both my ML elk tag in 61 when 15 was 1:1 but I went into it with 17 points. I also did it on my unit 44 late season deer tag. I had 15 points when it only required 12.
Winchester
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Great logic !
I like the way you're looking at the Colorado draw odds ... I'll start digging in a little deeper
I like the way you're looking at the Colorado draw odds ... I'll start digging in a little deeper
BKC
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RichM and JimP, you are correct, they should factor in age. Colorado, for some reason, only factors in age, when you are young. I think this more of the me now that is sweeping the country. I know they say they are loosing the young hunter but looking at all the applicants, there is not a shortage of hunters and will not be a shortage of hunters from now till the end of time( 12 years from now ).
I do think the age thing should be addressed - here you have guys with max points - 20/25 whatever and they are def 20/25 years older than when they started collecting. Some guys have had max point for 10 years or more.
Just screwy when folks with 5 yrs get in front of folks with 25 years. That's wrong IMO. Let the old guys enjoy what life is left in them. They appreciate the hunt more and the time is better spent on folks who appreciate things.
BKC - what happens in 12 years?
Just screwy when folks with 5 yrs get in front of folks with 25 years. That's wrong IMO. Let the old guys enjoy what life is left in them. They appreciate the hunt more and the time is better spent on folks who appreciate things.
BKC - what happens in 12 years?
BKC
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Some new nut job congressman(women) from NY says that if we don't stop using petro fuels, the world will end in 12 years! Don't shoot the messenger.
JimP
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Spring chicken, I have a friend that is 94 this year and he plans on going elk and deer hunting again.
Ya can't keep a good man out of the woods. At times the way that my knees feel I think that I might have to invest in one of those fancy track chairs, but I'll go as long as I can prop my rifle or pistol up onto a rest and get the meat out. But then you do have a few years on me, I'll turn 66 this May.
Slugz
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Winchester
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It's good to see folks still getting out and getting it done regardless of age.
A few years ago my Dad had been fighting cancer for 5 years and it was finally winning. I got him out in the Pennsylvania woods for one last whitetail hunt and although he was in a lot of pain he made it to our stand (note: I could see the pain in my Dad's face but he never complained about it even once). A few hours later Dad was about worn out and nodding off when a deer stepped out about 200 yards away. He wasn't feeling good at all but he decided to see if he could get steady enough for an ethical shot. A minute later he was ready and said he was steady enough to shoot. At the sound of the shot the deer dropped ... shot straight through the heart.
My Dad passed away a month later ... but we both enjoyed that last hunt.
A few years ago my Dad had been fighting cancer for 5 years and it was finally winning. I got him out in the Pennsylvania woods for one last whitetail hunt and although he was in a lot of pain he made it to our stand (note: I could see the pain in my Dad's face but he never complained about it even once). A few hours later Dad was about worn out and nodding off when a deer stepped out about 200 yards away. He wasn't feeling good at all but he decided to see if he could get steady enough for an ethical shot. A minute later he was ready and said he was steady enough to shoot. At the sound of the shot the deer dropped ... shot straight through the heart.
My Dad passed away a month later ... but we both enjoyed that last hunt.