Leftover License Sale Suspended

[JimP]

No matter what the date is for the leftover drawing people are not going to like it.

I think that the way that the system is now is alright but it does require some tweaking to make it better.

I actually think that instead of just contacting X amount of applicants for a returned tag they need to keep going until someone accepts it. They also need to limit the excuses that can be used to return a tag. Medical, military service, death, and just a couple more excuses and require a doctors certificate or a copy of military orders for the return. I know of people in Utah that will wait until the season is almost here to return their tags just because they are not seeing the quality of animals that they think that should be in the unit.

 

[swampokie]

Why shouldn't the system favor residents on the first day? Those of you NR's that are complaining likely have a deer tag in their pocket in your home state, or at least are guaranteed one if they are inclined to do so. In Colorado we are NOT guaranteed a deer tag which is unfortunate but the price we have to pay for good management.

U can be guaranteed 6 deer tags every year in my state. Yes u nonresidents. U get 2 bucks and 4 does for 281$. Hunting some of the same eastern Colorado plain drainages. Just cross over the state line into Oklahoma and say I don't get guaranteed a tag in Colorado so I want six of yours! They will gladly guarantee u not 1 but six tags for 281$. So when I pay 10 times what u do for one of your non guaranteed tags I'm sorry if I gripe a little. And yes this is mule deer or whitetail

 

[Granby guy]

U can be guaranteed 6 deer tags every year in my state. Yes u nonresidents. U get 2 bucks and 4 does for 281$. Hunting some of the same eastern Colorado plain drainages. Just cross over the state line into Oklahoma and say I don't get guaranteed a tag in Colorado so I want six of yours! They will gladly guarantee u not 1 but six tags for 281$. So when I pay 10 times what u do for one of your non guaranteed tags I'm sorry if I gripe a little.

I never said I would have a problem with raising resident license fees in fact I think they should. The $389 cost of a NR deer tag is still less then NR pay in Kansas or Iowa for whitetail tags. My question for you is are there ample public land areas in Oklahoma where a person could take advantage of the six tags for $281 or are all of the river bottoms private high dollar leases like they are in Eastern Colorado? Just wondering if the $281 investment comes with public land to hunt on.

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[swampokie]

Ouchita national forest is 100000 acres. Three rivers wma is 200000 acres honobia creek wma 50000 acres. All in se Oklahoma and only whitetails. Boone and Crockett deer and bears killed there every year. But u will get gouged as a nr for the bear tag! 500$. Only tag in Oklahoma that hammers non residents. As far public
Land in Oklahoma yes 2 million acres Not as much as Colorado but still plenty for 281$

 

[Hilltop]

Ouchita national forest is 100000 acres. Three rivers wma is 200000 acres honobia creek wma 50000 acres. All in se Oklahoma and only whitetails. Boone and Crockett deer and bears killed there every year. But u will get gouged as a nr for the bear tag! 500$. Only tag in Oklahoma that hammers non residents. As far public
Land in Oklahoma yes 2 million acres Not as much as Colorado but still plenty for 281$

Sounds like a fun road trip for years we don't draw elk/mule deer.

 

[CoHiCntry]

U can be guaranteed 6 deer tags every year in my state. Yes u nonresidents. U get 2 bucks and 4 does for 281$. Hunting some of the same eastern Colorado plain drainages. Just cross over the state line into Oklahoma and say I don't get guaranteed a tag in Colorado so I want six of yours! They will gladly guarantee u not 1 but six tags for 281$. So when I pay 10 times what u do for one of your non guaranteed tags I'm sorry if I gripe a little. And yes this is mule deer or whitetail

If you can get 6 deer tags in your home state, why do you apply in Colorado too? Not being a wise guy, I'm actually serious. The way it is now I can usually draw a buck tag every other year near my hometown in Colorado. And this is in an average unit that's not very sought after. I'd never leave or hunt another state if I could draw a tag every year. Let alone 6!

 

[JimP]

I would imagine that he might be looking at quality instead of quantity.

There are a lot of hunters that don't hunt for just the meat of the animal. I am one of them. While I enjoy the meat I also enjoy the trophy aspect of the game. And a mule deer antlers are the trophy when you live in whitetail country.

 

[CoHiCntry]

I would imagine that he might be looking at quality instead of quantity.

There are a lot of hunters that don't hunt for just the meat of the animal. I am one of them. While I enjoy the meat I also enjoy the trophy aspect of the game. And a mule deer antlers are the trophy when you live in whitetail country.

I can see that. That's one of the only reason I apply out of state. He mentioned B&C animals coming out of the areas of Oklahoma though? The leftover list I wouldn't think has to many "quality" tags either. I would think more opportunity hunts. For the most part.

 

[swampokie]

Elk and color phase bear are the primary reasons I want to hunt Colorado. Also beautiful country
And cooler temps. These things are hard to find in sept in Oklahoma. Not trying to stir anything just wanting to explain that one size doesn't fit all and some states are rougher on non residents than others

 

[CoHiCntry]

Elk and color phase bear are the primary reasons I want to hunt Colorado. Also beautiful country
And cooler temps. These things are hard to find in sept in Oklahoma.

Can't argue with that!

 

[Fink]

I dont know of one single eastern state where myself as a NR can get a premium white tail or elk tag over the phone that was turned in along with land to hunt. So my chance is 0 or very very unfair to us colorado residents...

You can pick up a Missouri non resident archery deer tag for $225, and hunt world class whitetails on basically unpressured public land. Tag is over the counter, show up, buy it, hunt. Basically the same bruiser bucks that everyone spends 4x as much to hunt, and waiting on drawing a tag in KS, IA and ILL.

 

[swampokie]

Fink is absolutely correct. All you hear about is ill Iowa Kansas. Overrated and overpriced! There are several states in the same region that u can buy one or more affordable tags and hunt awesome public land. Thank god these areas are for the most part overlooked.

 

[Work2hunt]

You can pick up a Missouri non resident archery deer tag for $225, and hunt world class whitetails on basically unpressured public land. Tag is over the counter, show up, buy it, hunt. Basically the same bruiser bucks that everyone spends 4x as much to hunt, and waiting on drawing a tag in KS, IA and ILL.

Shhhhhhhhhhhh...........


And let's not forget that that is 2 tags for that price.

 

[Horsenhike]

I seem to remember listening to one of Randy's podcast where they talked about Colorado having like twenty units you could hunt over the counter archery mule deer with a chance at good mule deer.

Here in South Dakota we took a look at all of our options and found out there are an absolute pile of tags we can get every year. We just had to modify our tactics and skill sets. Would we prefer to hunt mule deer every year with a rifle in premium units for $40? Yes, yes we would. But, that isn't happening so we adjusted. We want to hunt, and refuse to allow ourselves to be limited because of an unwillingness to expand our opportunities.

 

[JimP]

You'll find that if a person wants to hunt he'll find a way to go hunting.

I hunted both deer and elk every years as I was building points for the best units to hunt either in. I cashed in 14 points on a deer hunt in my favorite unit and in those 14 years before I hunted that unit I hunted deer in another unit that I drew as a second choice hunt on my application.

I did the same thing with elk, but I cashed in 17 points for a muzzle loader elk hunt and in each of those previous 17 years I hunted elk on a second choice hunt as I was accumulating points. So it can be done. You just need to do some homework and see where you can draw a second choice tag and even perhaps a third choice tag if you want to hunt every year.

 

[CoHiCntry]

I seem to remember listening to one of Randy's podcast where they talked about Colorado having like twenty units you could hunt over the counter archery mule deer with a chance at good mule deer.

There are no over the counter deer tags in Colorado. We haven't had any of those since the 90's? Or maybe longer, I can't remember for sure.

 

[Horsenhike]

There are no over the counter deer tags in Colorado. We haven't had any of those since the 90's? Or maybe longer, I can't remember for sure.

Ok, well then an archery tag that can be drawn with zero points. It all takes some effort and education, as newcomers to the whole PP and application process we just take it for what it is.

My point is that hunts are there. Lots of them.

 

[ColoradoV]

Well go searching for big deer 2 days and miss a lot sometimes lol.

Hos - bud I respect ya and you are right you did say 10% I did read that wrong. Now in fairness to me only that first part had the barrels pointed toward you that is why I used that paragraph by name. I apologize for mis reading the 10% of tags and that was a mistake on my part. If you assume that the rest was for you and not written in general well then you made a mistake as well.

Trust me I am well aware of how CPW is funded and am one who is willing as well as pushing to double the cost of all resident tags only if/when allocation is brought more in line with other western states or a straight or 80 - 20 split on all tags. CPW is also in need of a diet in many places and is quite the govt monstrosity so both would give them the $ they need to operate efficiently. I am not a believer in any way of the model that tags should go to the highest bidder or who can pay the most.. Also 30% overall is a bit low on NR deer allocation - or you have to remember colorado is so fair to nr that after the first draw nr and res are given the same 50-50% shot at 2nd choice tags pushing that number much higher. Take in to account LO tags and many places it is at or above 40%...

Thanks for pointing that out boys about eastern hunts I was thinking east of the Miss as I see most of you guys in the mid west. Helping a few guys out here and there on mulies has some good land in Ks, as well as Oh to hunt.. Very very unfair was a bad joke pointed toward our current leader in chief...

Also day 1 was the same as last year no real change.. With the exception of more call in access causing the system to crash... The change will be from the tues after on. I understand that you have 0 shot on the phone day 1 that is just the way it is and always has been. Now for NR to want to change that to make us all have essentially the same 0 shot is well... I like the fact that any dedicated hunter can stay a night or get up at 3 and get maybe a slightly better shot. In fact I know one of the tags I was going for a NR hunter drove all day set up camp and got the tag. Good for him.

I hope it stays the same for next year as I will be up early giving it a shot.

 

[swampokie]

Do these people have a special alarm set for the leftover list I was wondering if some people sit 24 hours a day and refresh it or do they have a special warning that goes off when a quality tag hits it. There's been several good tags got today and gone in under a minute. Wow gota be quick I guess

 

[ColoradoV]

They go quick.

One reason is that I know there is a couple of "services" now where you give them your wanted tags list and for a finders fee they look over the list every update - if they get your tag for ya it is a set price structure quickly going over $1000 finders fee or more for the tag..

Not sure if that is fair but is what it is.. I wish that at least you had to get a tag for you as having these types of paid tag hunters is not what the leftover list should be about.