judges ruling on Wyoming and wolves

[RSHusker]

Hard to believe this forum isn't blowing up with this topic. Federal judge trying to make rules for those of us that live with them everyday. Unbelievable! Here we go again! Guess I shouldn't have bought a tag for one this fall.
http://http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/23/judge-restores-wolf-protections-wyoming/16120133/

 

[Sfjeeper]

I saw that article earlier. They are going to let the wolves decimate the elk and deer herds. At which point, the state will lose millions of dollars in revenue when hunters realize there is no game left in the state. It's going to take packs of wolves roaming city streets before they realize their mistake. Good luck!

 

[shootbrownelk]

I figured this would happen. All the Pro-Wolf groups would band together and file a lawsuit with some leftist Judge on the east coast. Someone who has no clue about wildlife management in the western states. They'll try their level best to tie this up in the courts for as long as possible, and probably receive taxpayer dollars to accomplish their objective. Sickening!
RSHusker, frame that tag...it just may become a collector's item.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

I'm not surprised either. The tree huggers, pro-wolfers or whatever you want to call them have resources ($$$$) and will spend them to get their way, just like Bloomburg.

Sad day indeed, but its not over yet.

 

[CrossCreeks]

This is just one of the many paragraphs that I have read concerning this ruling. Too many people see wolves as cuddly little pups. They refuse to see or believe what wolves can do to Elk, Moose and Deer populations. This includes judges too. How many animals has this ruling cost us. With that being said I believe that with a more strategic and calculated plan by the Wyoming game and fish this ruling will be short lived. Let's all hope so if there is to be a future for hunting in Wyoming !

“We’re thrilled that protections for Wyoming’s fragile population of wolves have been restored,” said Noah Greenwald, endangered species director with the Center for Biological Diversity. “With Wyoming allowing wolves to be shot on sight across more than 80 percent of the state, there is no way protections for wolves should have ever been removed.”

 

[Hilltop]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge-reinstates-protections-wyoming-wolves-25712796&ei=89EiVKOhI6PK8AGT5YGAAQ&usg=AFQjCNEunM4dl_R7w-4IRzhWLRXqu28xkA&sig2=xg_cDfpoln2iEQ52HJTHjw

Your link above wasn't working so here is a different one. Too bad people are making decisions that have no clue. This is like me sitting in the mid-west trying to tell them what traffic laws are needed to protect pedestrians on their busy streets. Just crap...

 

[Murdy]

From the article:

Wyoming Gov. Matt Mead issued a statement Tuesday saying that he expects the state to seek a stay of the Jackson's decision. He said the state will seek an emergency rule from the Fish and Wildlife Service to allow continued state wolf management.

"We believe an emergency rule can remedy this, and I have instructed the Wyoming Game and Fish Department and the Attorney General to proceed accordingly," Mead said. He added that until the judge's order is stayed or modified, the killing of wolves in Wyoming will be under federal jurisdiction.

Is that a covert way of saying that the state is not going to assist in enforcement?

 

[Hilltop]

From the article:

Wyoming Gov. Matt Mead issued a statement Tuesday saying that he expects the state to seek a stay of the Jackson's decision. He said the state will seek an emergency rule from the Fish and Wildlife Service to allow continued state wolf management.

"We believe an emergency rule can remedy this, and I have instructed the Wyoming Game and Fish Department and the Attorney General to proceed accordingly," Mead said. He added that until the judge's order is stayed or modified, the killing of wolves in Wyoming will be under federal jurisdiction.

Is that a covert way of saying that the state is not going to assist in enforcement?

Wyoming has never been fond of Washington trying to tell them how to do things... I'm guessing they won't pursue any reports with much vigor.

 

[WY ME]

This is just one of the many paragraphs that I have read concerning this ruling. Too many people see wolves as cuddly little pups. They refuse to see or believe what wolves can do to Elk, Moose and Deer populations. This includes judges too. How many animals has this ruling cost us. With that being said I believe that with a more strategic and calculated plan by the Wyoming game and fish this ruling will be short lived. Let's all hope so if there is to be a future for hunting in Wyoming !

“We’re thrilled that protections for Wyoming’s fragile population of wolves have been restored,” said Noah Greenwald, endangered species director with the Center for Biological Diversity. “With Wyoming allowing wolves to be shot on sight across more than 80 percent of the state, there is no way protections for wolves should have ever been removed.”

The WG&F had a plan that was agreed by the feds 20 years ago. The feds reneged on the deal and as a result the Game & Fish had to compromise and make great concessions over the past 20 years. There is no quick fix. This last plan was believed to be bullet proof. The enviro freaks will not stop until they have destroyed all hunting, fishing and trapping in America. If they could they would have a hunting season on hunters. I know as I've been shot at by these bastards and and once had my life threatened by one who had a gun pointed at my head.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

Sounds like the old SOS is back in style. (SOS= Shoot, Shovel, Shutup & Shoot On Sight)

 

[Cobbhunts]

The WG&F had a plan that was agreed by the feds 20 years ago. The feds reneged on the deal and as a result the Game & Fish had to compromise and make great concessions over the past 20 years. There is no quick fix. This last plan was believed to be bullet proof. The enviro freaks will not stop until they have destroyed all hunting, fishing and trapping in America. If they could they would have a hunting season on hunters. I know as I've been shot at by these bastards and and once had my life threatened by one who had a gun pointed at my head.

Wow.....had this happened to me it would have read:

"I know as I've been shot at by these bastards, I had to protect myself and the poor fellar is no longer breathing."

"And I once had my life threatened by one who had a gun pointed at my head, and I again had to protect myself so he is no longer with us either......"


That all may sound radical and politically incorrect. But they are the most radical bunch of all. And if I'm ever threatened by someone in this manner, you can bet I'll retaliate.

 

[libidilatimmy]

I don't even know what to say about this after reading the email last night from the G&F. It's just pathetic that our system really does operate like this. Other states will be next, you can bet on that.

The harvest statistics cited by the conservationists pushing the suit seem inflated to me with something like 220 animals killed in the predator area in the last two years, but the G&F only reports from the trophy areas on the website. I thought I remembered reading that under the last appeal decision before this one that no other appeals/lawsuits would be considered by the Feds, but I've slept since then so I'm not sure on the validly of this.

 

[WY ME]

Cobbhunts

When the bioch shot at me (7 times) I was hunting. I was pretty far away but armed with a .22 rifle. She would shout something at me and shoot. I just sat behind a tree until she was done. I called the cops and she told them she was shooting at a skunk (I guess that would be me). The next time was in the the summer when I was exercising some hounds. She confronted me on a gravel road and stuck a .25 cal pistol in my face and said " I'll kill the dog or I'll kill you". I slowly walked backwards to my truck and left the dogs behind. If I'd had a gun in my truck it would have been a different story. I called the cops again... my word against hers, nothing happened. I was just an insignificant twenty something kid, but the cops told me that her husband was a constable (he was also a professor). A what? Who cares? This all happened back in the 80's.

 

[THelms]

Gentlemen,
This is the end game... return large carnivores to "manage" game populations, game populations "managed" (read decimated), hunting not needed, hunting eliminated by government, no hunting means reduced need for weapons (firearms especially), reduced need equals more anti-gun legislation, leads to registration, leads to confiscation, leads to unarmed populace, leads to total government control, leads to... go ahead, fill in the blanks!

THIS IS NOT A SIMPLE RULING! THIS IS YET ANOTHER PART OF THE PLAN TO DESTROY AMERICA!

"He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them." John 10:12

Are we Shepherds & Stewards of the land and our gifts or or we simply hired hands who will turn away from imminent destruction and flee feigning ignorance? These people will take everything from us if we let them! Get Involved and join a worthwhile organization that fights to protect our precious gifts.

 

[WapitiBob]

MT and ID are hunting Wolves and immune to challenge, go figure.
When you hitch your wagon to the Big Game Forever Cash Cow you'll be paying for a long time. Another donation email coming soon.

 

[wisconsin_guy]

Sounds like the old SOS is back in style. (SOS= Shoot, Shovel, Shutup & Shoot On Sight)

This happens all the time in Wisconsin. Granted they have allowed a certain amount of permits for hunting/trapping as of last year but not near enough. The wolves in Wisconsin have taken the deer herd in the northern part of the state from seeing 50-100 deer a day during gun season, to now having to apply for doe permits because there is no deer left.

 

[WY ME]

Well said Grizz. The anti crowd could care less about game populations/management. They just want to shut hunting down and shove their liberal agendas down our throats.

 

[Triple BB]

A friend who works at the G&F has been saying for several years that we went overboard, but the ag folks in Wyoming have been calling the shots on this from the get go. So no real surprise here. Unless Congress acts like they did with Idaho and Montana, which won't happen, this will never be resolved until the US Supreme Court rules on the matter.

With our legislature going back into session early next year, they need to address the matter now. I think we need a law stripping all Wyoming policing agencies from investigating, assisting with or even taking a phone call for anything relating to wolf kills while the Feds are in charge of managing wolves. It'd work something like this: someone see's a dead wolf that might involve a suspicious demise. Maybe its bleeding from a large hole in its side. Some do-gooder finds it and calls the G&F, or local Sheriff's office, etc., and sez I found a dead wolf. The gal who answers at the G&F sez thanks and hangs up.

That would leave a handful of Federal wildlife agents to patrol and handle the entire State of Wyoming. I'm guessing such an arrangement would still allow for a certain amount of "wolf management".

 

[WY ME]

Wyoming doesn't need to pass a law. An edict such as the governor proclaimed should suffice. A few years ago the Gov't of Canada made a big push to register all guns. The Premier of Alberta decreed the same thing that Matt Mead did a couple days ago. The Premier denied any Albertan funds, provincial employees, buildings, etc. from being used to prosecute its citizens who defied gun registration. It shut down the process in Alberta. It will work in Wyoming as well.

 

[libidilatimmy]

http://county10.com/2014/09/30/governor-lauds-judges-swift-response-wyomings-emergency-rule-gray-wolves/

Looks like their trying to resolve the issue quickly through the state by having a hearing today with the federal judge.