Hunting Industry Meltdown?

[dan maule]

The real problem is many government actions seem to be politically driven. The virus is very real and worse than the flu for some... some precautions make absolute sense. The governments should recommend, and in rare emergency situations, enforce those precautions while minimizing loss of freedoms wherever possible.

Case in point, does it make sense that anyone can go to a grocery store park in the parking lot walk in buy what you need and leave, but people cannot go to a church parking lot, stay in their cars and participate in a church service FROM THEIR CARS. My state has listed recreational marijuana an essential business. Our Governor has made absolutely sure that there would be no restrictions on access to abortion but we had better make damn sure nobody gets into a boat. The vast majority of the people are reasonable and responsible, and will do the right thing. There will always be stupid people no matter what the conversation is about, just like the gun control debate. Handing over our liberties to this current group of politicians should scare the crap out of you as it does me.

 

[highplainsdrifter]

and that is the problem as i see it. What is reasonable to some is not reasonable to others. Not every part of the country has been affected the same way. No one has died around me. WE have had 50 cases in my county, yet over half of that is not being monitored. The virus has been a non issue, but the sanctions have been a major issue. once again, you should have the choice of going somewhere or not. If you are old and susceptible, don't go out. But it seems like the retired folks and the folks who don't create anything, seem to want stuff closed down more than the ones that do create or need to work to survive. just my feelings and i know half will like it, and half will not.

Some folks have no problem with the govt telling them, what they can do, when they can do it and with who you can do it with.
That is not for me.

Yes, there are major differences in infection rates around the country. So a strong argument could be made for having different policies in different parts of the country. But we have a very mobile society. So people from a heavily infected area could travel to a less infected area...thus the need for some national guidelines. It is not enough to say individual store owners or individual communities should use their own judgement based solely on their local experience.

For example, I live in Cheyenne and Frontier Days is coming in July. Wyoming has a relatively low virus incidence rate. Should we take comfort from that, and invite thousands of people from all over the country to Frontier Days? Probably not. This is shaping up to be a major decision for the City of Cheyenne. We'll see whether local economics or public health prevails.

 

[Gr8bawana]

It's not as simple as that. If people decide to crowd together in a business and then disperse to other parts of the community or country, they can take the virus with them. Some reasonable restrictions are necessary to protect the public. And we can't always rely on the individual business owner (or patron) to decide what is reasonable.

^^^This^^^
If making stupid decisions only effected the individuals who wish to risk exposure to the virus, I wouldn't have a problem with it. The problem is they can take it with them everywhere they go exposing those who don't know they are being exposed by the stupid.
My ignorant brother and sister in law thought the virus and shelter at home order was ridiculous and they kept going to church. They are now taking things very seriously because 2 people they know personally from church contracted the virus and are now dead.
That's what it took for them to stop saying "fake news".

 

[Winchester]

Yes, there are major differences in infection rates around the country. So a strong argument could be made for having different policies in different parts of the country. But we have a very mobile society. So people from a heavily infected area could travel to a less infected area...thus the need for some national guidelines. It is not enough to say individual store owners or individual communities should use their own judgement based solely on their local experience.

For example, I live in Cheyenne and Frontier Days is coming in July. Wyoming has a relatively low virus incidence rate. Should we take comfort from that, and invite thousands of people from all over the country to Frontier Days? Probably not. This is shaping up to be a major decision for the City of Cheyenne. We'll see whether local economics or public health prevails.

I like that way you said that, and I agree.
I believe the Government officials making decisions are doing their best to keep everyone safe, that's their priority.
It's impacting our personal freedoms, but only temporarily, and only as a bi-product of keeping the majority of society safe.

 

[kidoggy]

on abc this morning they were saying there is a county in California where they have been giving folks the antibody test and they are saying it is likely that the number of infected is 55 times more then what is being reported .


some see this as horrifying.

if true , I believe that would be fantastic news .
it would totally blow the whole notion of this being the plague of the century ,out of the water. it would also make this whole quarantine mess to be exactly the BS I have always thought it to be.

people are still interacting with the infected. if it's really as contagious as we are led to believe,
anyone who walks into a grocery store has probably come in contact with it by now. people are still eating takeout ,which is a crapshoot in the very best of times.
my brother took a drive up to a lake ,near home this weekend and said there were vehicles from three different states there . so folks are still traveling.

I do not believe for a second , that this shelter in place nonsense has really had much effect . those who are gonna get sick are gonna get sick.

 

[taskswap]

We are imperfect people, led by imperfect people. It's not perfect, and nobody's ever going to be 100% happy. But I'd still rather live here than Syria, China, or Russia!

 

[Winchester]

^^ That !!

 

[ScottR]

Yes, there are major differences in infection rates around the country. So a strong argument could be made for having different policies in different parts of the country. But we have a very mobile society. So people from a heavily infected area could travel to a less infected area...thus the need for some national guidelines. It is not enough to say individual store owners or individual communities should use their own judgement based solely on their local experience.

For example, I live in Cheyenne and Frontier Days is coming in July. Wyoming has a relatively low virus incidence rate. Should we take comfort from that, and invite thousands of people from all over the country to Frontier Days? Probably not. This is shaping up to be a major decision for the City of Cheyenne. We'll see whether local economics or public health prevails.

I will take it on step further, as this is actually a giant game of weighing the best worst options and the scales will tip at some point one direction or another. There are already trackable upswings in domestic violence call outs for police, alcohol consumption has gone up by a large scale with stress and many people are not fiscally prepared for another month of little to no money flowing in. The UN/WHO models seem to be what drove the response so using the same reporting, the UN is expecting childhood deaths in the 100's of thousands as a result of the impending recessions poverty.

I know, the argument coming back would be that safety of all is more important, etc. Or that we won't have an economy if we all die, and the conversation will then return to models and herd immunity, and the cycle will go on an on.

Do no harm in this situation seems to turn into do the least harm and hope for the best.

 

[highplainsdrifter]

on abc this morning they were saying there is a county in California where they have been giving folks the antibody test and they are saying it is likely that the number of infected is 55 times more then what is being reported .


some see this as horrifying.

if true , I believe that would be fantastic news .
it would totally blow the whole notion of this being the plague of the century ,out of the water. it would also make this whole quarantine mess to be exactly the BS I have always thought it to be.

people are still interacting with the infected. if it's really as contagious as we are led to believe,
anyone who walks into a grocery store has probably come in contact with it by now. people are still eating takeout ,which is a crapshoot in the very best of times.
my brother took a drive up to a lake ,near home this weekend and said there were vehicles from three different states there . so folks are still traveling.

I do not believe for a second , that this shelter in place nonsense has really had much effect . those who are gonna get sick are gonna get sick.

My wife of 37 years is a retired public health nurse. And some of it has rubbed off on me I am absolutely convinced that shelter in place and social distancing makes a difference. It is the only arrow we have in our quiver until we get a vaccine or treatment. I also believe that if we don't take it seriously, we will be facing a second wave later...maybe in time for fall hunting season.

 

[taskswap]

Well said, Drifter...

 

[go_deep]

Got to agree with Highplainsdrifter.
As far as the original post, there are just simply jobs that go away period when money gets tight.

 

[kidoggy]

We are imperfect people, led by imperfect people. It's not perfect, and nobody's ever going to be 100% happy. But I'd still rather live here than Syria, China, or Russia!

for the time being anyhow. we are ever getting closer to being Syria ,Russia or china.
folks in this nation are all to wiling to trade the freedoms that made this nation so much better then all others, for a false sense of security.

if we are really a nation that cares about the lives of others ,and truly believe it is our civic duty to do what we can to protect the safety of others , riddle me this........ why do we allow aborting innocent babies , in much higher numbers per year then the 19 has taken to date?????????????

I do not buy into the lives matter scenerio. it is simply a tool used to drive the sheep to slaughter.

that said , I do my best to obey the law . I have been practicing social distancing . IN fact , it is my default setting anyhow . humans is nasty creatures.

but when police start giving out tickets to folks attending church by sitting in their own cars and listening over speakers and other such nonsense , I begin to take serious issue . when people are urged to turn in their neighbors for infractions , I must begin to question the true motives behind such measures.

 

[highplainsdrifter]

We have been through this before! Please read this riveting article about the Spanish flu in 1918:

https://www.wyomingnews.com/news/local_news/kassel-spanish-influenza-epidemic-of-1918-hit-cheyenne-rest-of-state-hard/article_8b5a8ce7-ff2c-548e-9750-5f81cd1d4913.html

 

[tim]

my question is: what will you do different next time? there will be a next time.

 

[RICMIC]

Here's an odd and at this point unexplainable side-effect of the "lockdown" in Minnesota. MN DOT reported that the highway fatality number during the past two months was almost double than during the same period last year. (I believe that it was 15/8). Though that is a small number to infer much from, it seems odd in light of the very light traffic, closed bars, etc.

 

[ScottR]

Here's an odd and at this point unexplainable side-effect of the "lockdown" in Minnesota. MN DOT reported that the highway fatality number during the past two months was almost double than during the same period last year. (I believe that it was 15/8). Though that is a small number to infer much from, it seems odd in light of the very light traffic, closed bars, etc.

If I had to take a bet...people drinking at home then going to go get more. When at the bar we have a culture of get them home safe, even though we know that it impossible but ride services make it possible. Without societal norms people lose inhibitions to a greater extent.

I would also be willing to bet that distracted driving is much higher as we have a LOT of people completely attached to their phones and causing more accidents.

Actual data may prove me completely wrong.

 

[JimP]

My new neighbor a Highway Patrol trooper here in Colorado said that she is writing twice as many speeding tickets now than she did before the shutdown. She said that reckless driving tickets are also on the upswing.

 

[tim]

one of the hard parts of all this is: when someone dies. I have lost 2 people in the last 7 days. none covid. I will not be able to pay my respects to them. Strange times.

 

[Bonecollector]

one of the hard parts of all this is: when someone dies. I have lost 2 people in the last 7 days. none covid. I will not be able to pay my respects to them. Strange times.

Sorry for your loss Tim...

 

[ScottR]

one of the hard parts of all this is: when someone dies. I have lost 2 people in the last 7 days. none covid. I will not be able to pay my respects to them. Strange times.

Very sorry to hear that Tim!