Best way to find a good outfitter?

hskrhntr

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I've decided I am going to do a guided hunt for the first time this fall after doing a couple DIYs the last two years. I've been doing a lot of research, but honestly I'm overwhelmed. I'm looking at doing either a mule deer or archery elk hunt, which opens up a lot of possibilities. I've also narrowed it down by the areas I want to hunt, but it still leaves a lot of outfitters to consider. What is the best way to find the "best" or at least "quality" outfitters in an area?

Thanks for your help!
 

Slugz

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Get on the state page and look up licensed outfits versus the areas you want to hunt. Then call their references. IMO thats the best way to start and narrow it down
 

RICMIC

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You can do a lot on the internet by searching outfitters by state. It is helpful to have an idea of the species, season, weapon, and state for a start. I found the outfitter that I have used 4x, with another hunt booked this year; from an ad in Eastmans mag, then I looked at the website, called the outfitter, and called several of the references. Look at lots of websites, and beware of those where the photos all appear to be 20 years old. Before I booked, I even visited with him and his wife at the summer lodge before making a final decision. No regrets. Wyoming Outdoor Guides Assoc., and its counterpart in Colorado put out a great annual mag. with ads and stories from those outfitters who are members. Once you think you have an outfit that you are interested in, you can ask on the forum if anyone has experience with them. Plan ahead though, because the good outfitters are booked years in advance. You also need to be aware of the points needed to draw a tag in their lease area.
 

mntnguide

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Ask them for a reference sheet of ALL hunters successful and NOT SUCCESSFUL! If they only want to give you a sheet of hand-picked references, its usually for a reason. Ask the outfitter how long their guides have been with them? do they return every year? or do they have new guides constantly every year? Usually outfitters who cant keep good guides yearly, it is for a reason. Granted outfitters will eventually lose guides, because it is damn hard to make a career as a guide if your not the outfitter. Ask what their success rate is, along with opportunity...this should also be confirmed by talking to past hunters. Make sure you know exactly how the hunt will go and whats expected of you. Are you going to be up 2 hours before daylight in the saddle to ride to your area...or are you leaving the lodge at daylight, driving in truck and glassing....those type of things should be well explained in the outfitters website etc, but it is good for you to make sure you know exactly what you are getting into. I have had hunters in the past who didnt realize how remote camps were, etc...they thought the wood stove in a wall tent should burn wood all night, so they were pretty uniformed on how a backcountry hunt works, and that was their fault for booking a backcountry hunt when they probably should have booked a lodge type hunt. Talking to past hunters is only to your benefit of not eventually having a bad hunt, if you dont reach out and call those references, its your fault if you end up with a bad outfitter. There are ample good outfitters, but there will also be bad ones who make it look worse on all others. Do your homework and ask questions, its your money and you want to spend it wisely for a good hunt.
 

hoshour

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I would also ask on here if anyone has used the outfitters you have in mind once you get it nailed down to a short list. Word of mouth on this forum in particular is really helpful. Quite a few guys on here have good knowledge of outfitters. Someone on here may have used them or worked for them or know people who have. Some of that feedback is likely to come from PMs.
 

Tim McCoy

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Another avenue is to contact a couple hunting consultants, let them know what you seek and then check into their recommendations. Just like Outfitters, some are better than others. I've used Crosshair Consulting a number of times with good results. Atcheson's has a good rep too, as do several others. If you go that route, ask them if they hunted with that outfitter and how many hunters they have sent there. In theory, they have weeded out the problems.
 
Having used the services of outfitters in the past I've learned a few lessons. Some good and some not so good. First, I wouldn't hand over any deposit money to someone I just met at a sports show. A great booth with displays and photos doesn't always relate to a good operation. Even magazine adds and websites are to be viewed with a bit of salt. There are some outfitters out there that would make good used car salesmen. Having said that, the only source I'll take seriously as a reference is from someone I know and our trust who has actually used the outfitter in consideration. This seems to be the best way to avoid anxiety and get the best from your hard earned dollars.
 

Hilltop

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A lot of solid advice above- One other avenue not mentioned is to call the area game warden/wardens. They often times will be able to tell you information about the outfit, the areas they hunt, and possibly size expectations for a given area. Biologists can be another source of information letting you know if outfitter claims on heard health/size are accurate. I just used a biologist to eliminate several outfitters on my short list for a Canada Moose hunt. Good luck in your search.
 

hoshour

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Hilltop, have you checked with Northwest Big Game Outfitters in Atlin, BC? I've hunted with them for mountain goat and enjoyed it. They are known for big moose and will be straight with you. They are very good for grizzlies as well. If you talk with Jack Goodwin, tell him I referred you.
 

gypsumreaper

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I like what mntnguide said about success and opportunity. That is a huge thing with an outfit. Success may be low but opportunity high, so many things can happen on a hunt... missed shots, not having shells in chamber, passing on animals. Also when it comes down to guided vs drop camp success. A guided hunt can have more opportunity as usually a guide is there to push the hunter and knows the area better. A drop camp hunter may only hunt sun up for a few hours then back to camp and only hunt an hour or two before sun down, they may use the hunt as more of a vacation vs hard hard hunting to harvest. Ask about return clientele, if they having returning clientele even with low success rates they have to be doing something right to keep the same business year after year.
Get a few years worth of success and opportunity, we had a very low success year in 2016 with the unseasonably warm temps, I was guiding in a t shirt during third rifle, very hard hunting. Especially when we usually have at least 8" of snow during third rifle.
Find out about how big the outfit is get a general idea of number of camps they will have during the time you will be there then try and get a general idea of how many people they have working for them. Our outfit has 14 different camp locations but since we are such a small outfit with minimal employees we will not overbook what we can handle personal wise. I'm not gonna book 7 camps a week cause I can't keep 7 camps in tune with my personal. I'd prefer to have happy clients vs a ton of money. We generally have a high turnover on our employees. But when it comes to our guided hunts there is 3 of us that guide, we don't generally bring in a brand new guy to guide unless we absolutely need him AND we will have another one of our experienced guides in camp as well to help. I try to hire guides that will come back the next year but I live in a town of 90 people with no housing. We usually use our new guys to pack in and out vs sending them out with clients unless we know they have extensive hunting knowledge and we can get in the area before the season to give first hand knowledge of the area.
Personally I try and be as straight forward as possible when booking clients, if I fill them full of bs and can't deliver I may have made money for a year but I want my guys coming back. Word of mouth is huge in this business and if you cant deliver on what you promised then there are so many outlets for word to get out, it can reach a ton of people really quick. Whether it's Facebook, the many many hunting forums, even the local bar. As many of the usual clients aren't from in state we can't be there to talk to people first hand.
As hilltop said an outfitter that knows the game wardens and get a good reference are usually pretty straight forward. They have developed a relationship with the warden on a business level.
It is tough with any outfit the first time you go it can be a gamble but soon research and a ton of phone, email or face to face if possible will help. I like email as there is a "paper trail" to go back on for the client if needed. When calling outfits right down what you talked about and have those notes in front of you every time, ask some of the same questions you asked in previous conversations and if the answers change you might learn you have a bit of a "salesman" technique going. If they can answer the same each time then you know they're not blowing smoke or they have their info down very very well and can really blow some smoke.


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