Bear with Spear controversy

[CrossCreeks]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiW3oGQvsjOAhXBOiYKHaInChAQtwIIJzAD&url=http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2016/08/15/hunter-kills-bear-with-spear-orig-vstan.cnn&usg=AFQjCNFnuEH7Hh8VlWEApESIPSSrr8tTEQ&sig2=8MZLpMdkYs2KB0FNoCYh-w

Has anyone watched this, what's your opinion, I knew the Animal Rights group would jump all other this.
This made the CBS Morning News, you can read and see a lot more than whats on the clip I posted, just google it.

 

[gypsumreaper]

I watch Tim wells do it all the time on relentless pursuit. That's about as traditional as you can get when it comes to hunting


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[CrossCreeks]

I agree it is " traditional as you can get "

 

[Hilltop]

No issue with it but posting the video isn't doing the hunting community any favors.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

No issue with it but posting the video isn't doing the hunting community any favors.

I certainly agree.

Neither was the story on "Good Morning America" this am about the 12 year old girl hunting in Africa. He Face Book posts have generated a ton of publicity. Of course the media focus is on the negative posts. Social media has really opened up new ways to publicize peoples views to millions of people.

 

[hoshour]

It just reinforces the idea that the reason we hunt is that we enjoy the killing aspect of it. For the vast majority of hunters, that's not true. It's the tail end of a successful quest. Guys whoop and holler, but it's not some thrill over killing they're cheering, but reaching the goal, not to mention that it procures some very healthy meat.

I knew a guy one time that did a lot of hunting and told me he enjoyed killing. I thought he was off his nut. The guy scared me and I avoided him after that. I heard stories later that reinforced the fact that he had some real issues.

 

[mallardsx2]

The comments on the video are interesting.

The one person recommended the hunter should use the spear as a rectal plug. I laughed for an hour when I read that.

 

[JimP]

I haven't watched the video and won't but from what I understand the hunter was jumping around whooping and hollering after he stuck the bear which doesn't go well on a video that you post for the public to see.

I also don't know why they waited until the next day to go find the bear but from what I have read they found the bear less than 100 yards from where they speared him.

My whole problem with all this is that we as hunters are asked to tip toe around all the non hunters and animals lovers that are out there. We are asked to cover up our animals as we transport them from the field to home or the processor just so that we don't offend someone as we drive down the road.

But that is the problem, we have to do our best not to offend anyone and this hunter did.

 

[buckbull]

I watched the video and the guy did the typical dancing and jumping around that seems common on videos these days. Definitely acted like a douche but no worse than almost every hunting show wannabe on youtube. My biggest issue with the whole thing is waiting until the next day to find the bear. Based on their clothing, I don't think it was cold enough to leave the animal overnight. In the video he claims it is too dangerous to track a bear at night. However, he just got finished putting the sneak on the bear at 10 yards and speared him and thats not dangerous?. They had video of the shot to indicate it was a good kill shot, no excuse to not track the bear. Truth be told, I think they waited until the next day for better lighting so they could film them hero BS crap.

 

[JimP]

Watch any hunting show on TV and if they arrow just about any animal they will wait until the next day to go find it. It doesn't matter if it is a bear, deer, elk, or a moose, they wait. The biggest reason is you just never know just how good of a hit it was no matter what you saw when you let the arrow or in this case a spear go.

I have also wondered just how much meat if not all of it is wasted when someone shoots a elk just before dark and then waits until the next morning to go find it. I know that I have lost meat in November just getting it out the same day and not waiting. Also most of these shows or videos of hunts are for the trophy only and they don't care anything about the meat.

 

[CoHiCntry]

Looked like a gut shot (spear) to me. Assuming that's why they waited? Idk? I said on another forum that I'm not sure what the obsession is with videoing hunts to put on YouTube? To me it's stupid. Hunting is all about egos, & trophies anymore. Most guys don't seem like they care about the animal, the hunt, or the meat. They just want videos, pictures etc to put up on social media so they can brag. I'll stop before I get myself in trouble....

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

I have also wondered just how much meat if not all of it is wasted when someone shoots a elk just before dark and then waits until the next morning to go find it. I know that I have lost meat in November just getting it out the same day and not waiting. Also most of these shows or videos of hunts are for the trophy only and they don't care anything about the meat.

I think you are spot on!

 

[gypsumreaper]

I agree the whooping and hollering after a kill is something I try not to do. Yes I am relieved in a way that it is over I have gotten my animal my food and all that and am I excited yes but not cause I killed something rather that I have achieved my goal. I Had to leave my buck overnight 2 years ago after a shot, I was worried all night but was at the spot of the shot before daybreak the next morning and had him found 75 yards from where I shot him. I was worried about meat loss but didn't have any thankfully. I was more worried about bumping him as I would have been tacking him in the dark after waiting a good hour to give him time to expire. I have tracked animals at night in bear country and lion country I don't see the to dangerous to track at night type of deal. If you just snuck up on a bear with a spear what's doing it with headlamps gonna make it worse.


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[B&C Blacktails]

Native Americans are not called injuns and Africans are not called afreekans. Kiddoggy is using racist slurs and I am surprised the moderator did not flag his post.

Anyways I watched the video I saw the spear being used and I believe it did as good a job if not better than any broadhead ever used to hunt big game. The hunter in the video didn't show any more enthusiasm than the next guy. People get excited it's the adrenaline rush. He wasn't some blood thirsty wackjob. The Democratic media is feeding the public this news and I am surprised of the lack of support from this forum. You don't have to judge the actions of this hunter but look at the results the bear traveled less than a hundred yards. Yea yea he used a spear but it was legal. The bear didn't suffer. It was the comments made by P.E.T.A that implies the bear suffered.

Each hunter has his own way of doing things based on the conditions of the hunt whether it be safety or personal preference. I personally would have tracked the bear that night but judging another person's actions when you were not even there... Well that just seems judgemental

 

[ivorytip]

the older I get the more gratitude and respect I have towards harvested game. its always been there but it seems to grow deeper with each season. these are living magnificent creatures that we peruse and we owe it to them to make a clean fast kill. this guy has clearly practiced and practiced with spear throwing and knew what he was doing. it was a very primal way of harvesting game and there is something really neat about that. as far as celebrating goes, I know I get very excited when I'm fortunate enough to harvest a large bull or buck, or even land a big fat trout. if a friend or family is with me we all share the excitement and there are high fives and continuous telling's of how it played out. I don't see it as a celebration of killing something (I'm speaking for myself), I see it as a celebration of accomplishing a goal. but thanks has always and will always be given to the animal. with that said, we do live in a world now that we need to be careful on what we post on these social network sites. we need to not view it as, I can post what I want, they can all think how they want" we need to view it as a positive outreach of something mankind has done from the beginning of time and we do need to care how what we post reflects towards the anti hunting enthusiasts out there. we shouldn't feed them ammo, even though they will make ammo out of everything.

 

[ivorytip]

and there was plenty of light left for them to have found that bear that same night. they wanted morning lighting for footage and that I do not agree with.

 

[hoshour]

I got that your first post was meant to be a joke, but K, this is going from bad to worse.

This forum is a politics-free zone unless you're talking about laws that affect hunting, guns or game, which we're not. I despise election season and I don't want to see it make its way on here.

 

[Ikeepitcold]

Sorry guys I wasn't on this as quick as I should have.

I have removed a few posts here.

Keep things in good taste and please choose acceptable terms when making comments.

Thanks all

 

[FitToHunt]

Honestly I couldn't careless how this guy took his bear or how long he took to find it. That's his personal choice to make. The problem is, that the anti-hunting community is out there always looking for examples of animal cruelty and unethical behavior. It doesn't matter how many tens of thousands of ethical, law abiding hunters there are. They will never recognize that. Its the people who are on the fence or who simply don't understand what we do, that stories like this will influence unfortunately.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

Honestly I couldn't careless how this guy took his bear or how long he took to find it. That's his personal choice to make. The problem is, that the anti-hunting community is out there always looking for examples of animal cruelty and unethical behavior. It doesn't matter how many tens of thousands of ethical, law abiding hunters there are. They will never recognize that. Its the people who are on the fence or who simply don't understand what we do, that stories like this will influence unfortunately.

...and how everyone finds out is social media. Its well and good to post tasteful photos of fish & game you take, but some of the stuff on utube ought not be there. It is just an invitation for the anti crowd. @ examples.....this one and the 12 year old girl hunting in Africa.