Another article on Wyoming's tough winter

DoubleDropMuley

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I would think with all the studies and technology todays age , we should have figured out something deer and antelope could eat on winters like this ? Or some kind of solution to help them from starving, maybe are govt should quit sending billions over seas (ukrain) and wasting money on sh!+ like coronavirus ect.. and put it to use in something usefull. And as far as cutting tags if they deem necessary it should be out of nonres quotas first, I know my app plans have changed and I certainly don’t feel bad for tag soup if I have tags and don’t feel the need to fill them. Ate plenty of tags some on purpose and some not !! It’s the way it gos !! Now good luck to the rest of the critters out in the hellhole that mutha nature is putting them through!!
 

JimP

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They have the feed that both can survive on, but you hit the nail on the head about money.

Most of the game and fish departments are self sustaining and just don't have access to the money that it would take to feed them.
 

DoubleDropMuley

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They have the feed that both can survive on, but you hit the nail on the head about money.

Most of the game and fish departments are self sustaining and just don't have access to the money that it would take to feed them.
I figured they had something out there they could feed as I been in contact with some contacts that are feeding and the heards seem to be fairing well!! Been to some seminars and meetings and the G&F are putting a lot of money into things to help more than I thought it was costing for projects, they should put together an emergency fund for severe winters!! I was surprised how much the overpass and underpass crossings they have been building actually cost , definitely a good thing !!!
 

Rich M

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Saw the article.

I was talking with a biologist the other day - we were talking about "objectives" and 10-year population trends. That's what the game management professionals run their numbers using. Some years go up some down, but they look at the 10-yr trend lines. He was talking about additional deaths and issues but that the numbers were following the trends. That's why they don't often close doe seasons.

Seems like after such a rough winter, they should just shut it all down for a year or two.

Western hunting is so stressful.
R vs NR is probably the worst thing that could have happened - will be the death of hunting.
90/10, 80/20, 75/25 - no-one is ever happy.
Where to go - species specific or whatever.
Preference points and getting drawn - annual turmoil.
Trophy vs non-trophy hunting.
Add the winter-kill and inability for most hunters to help the herd.

The non-trophy guys are gonna hurt everyone this year. They'll see less deer and be more eager to shoot the little 3x3 buck. Then they'll complain about the lack of big bucks and such. The fawn crop of 2022 is dead, will does have carried the fetuses thru such a stressful winter and be able to produce a fawn crop for 2023? So, let's just say we've lost 2 years of fawn crops. That's a tough gap to bridge for hunters.

I checked the units where we are supposed to hunt antelope this fall. Of the 6 or 8 units, only 2 have any reductions. Will go by what the outfitter says for the hunt.
 
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wy-tex

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It is not all doom and gloom all over.
Saw a big group of muley doe yesterday with a great numbers of surviving fawns.
Our part of the state is fine right now, a big snow in April will change that though.
We may be seeing affects of that big one 2 years ago now. Lower numbers of bucks in certain age classes.

Yep it is rough in parts and no way they could feed entire herds for the months they need to survive. How much to air drop feed , not driving in to many areas over winter ? Snow cats maybe.
 

Rich M

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It is not all doom and gloom all over.
Saw a big group of muley doe yesterday with a great numbers of surviving fawns.
Our part of the state is fine right now, a big snow in April will change that though.
We may be seeing affects of that big one 2 years ago now. Lower numbers of bucks in certain age classes.

Yep it is rough in parts and no way they could feed entire herds for the months they need to survive. How much to air drop feed , not driving in to many areas over winter ? Snow cats maybe.
One of the things "we" used to do was open up trails. The deer would be in yards and a snow machine would open up a trail that would allow some additional movement to new feed without as much energy spent.

That was the primary thing I thought of but the snow machines are noisy, maybe when they make battery powered ones?
 

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One of the things "we" used to do was open up trails. The deer would be in yards and a snow machine would open up a trail that would allow some additional movement to new feed without as much energy spent.

That was the primary thing I thought of but the snow machines are noisy, maybe when they make battery powered ones?
Many years ago when I had my first ATV along with a friend we would go rabbit hunting and use them to access the area that we hunted. One year we got into a sagebrush flat and decided to turn it into a race track in 2 foot of snow. Well, we went round and round and ended up with a track about 10 feet wide and a couple hundred feet in diameter.

The next weekend when we went into that area the deer were using that chewed up ground as their personal feeding area. A lot of the sagebrush had popped back upright and it hadn't snowed again so it was all exposed. They loved it.
 

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It is not all doom and gloom all over.
Saw a big group of muley doe yesterday with a great numbers of surviving fawns.
Our part of the state is fine right now, a big snow in April will change that though.
We may be seeing affects of that big one 2 years ago now. Lower numbers of bucks in certain age

Yep it is rough in parts and no way they could feed entire herds for the months they need to survive. How much to air drop feed , not driving in to many areas over winter ? Snow cats maybe.
Unfortunately they are calling for 8-12" snow here tonight with more unseasonably cold weather. 😖
 

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On the subject of feeding, Wyoming is a different animal than Utah, and even by region they are different animals. Feeding can occur in much of Utah's winter range because of where it is located. There are maintained roads in many of the areas where it can happen vs. if you look at what we have in Wyoming, most of it is shut down. The stress on the deer of breaking in by snow cat or sled with trailer in most years turns into a bigger disaster than letting them do their thing.

One piece to remember is that this is a once in 100 years type of winter, as of me typing this it is chasing only the winter of 1949 for severity. Bearing that in mind it's hard to budget for that type of winter, but also bear in mind that many consider the 1950's some of the best years on record for mule deer hunting. Much of that set up by the habitat repair to drought that was done afterwards.
 
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tim

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look on the bright side, should be a minimal fire year.
But also remember, not all the west has had an epic winter. Normal winter here in north idaho. The elk where out feeding on the open hillsides, the toms where strutting and i was enjoying a foot of pow on my sled.
 

wy-tex

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Fortunately for our area no snow on the ground before this storm so the snow will be welcomed somewhat.
Not needed elsewhere for sure.
We are just 1 spot not suffering right now and it is bad just up and down the road from our area for sure.
Snowing all around us right now and not in town.
 

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This is western WY (Alpine) today. We really didn't get a crazy amount of snow this year but it's just not melting, so it's a alot for April. Mostly just elk and moose stay here year around. Mountain goats pretty much died off a few years ago. I haven't heard anything about the sheep this winter, I hope they're okay.

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