180" buck at 60 yards- shoot or no?

180" BUCK - 60 YARDS-BOW- SHOOT OR NO?


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mallardsx2

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After watching countless YouTube videos of guys shooting at mule deer with their bows I am curious how many people think this is an ethical shot with a BOW.

LETS MAKE THIS VERY SIMPLE.

DISTANCE: 60 Yards
CONDITIONS:45 Degrees, Clear, Sunny, 0 MPH wind

DEER: Up feeding and has no idea you are there and stops walking to check his surroundings.

YOU: Its the last day of your 14 day High Country Hunt that you burned 8 points to get the tag.
 

LCH

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I think that's going to be very dependent upon each individual hunter. For me, most years, no, so that's how I answered the poll. For some others, it may be a completely ethical, high percentage shot.

One year I did practice nearly every day all summer long and into the fall, and was shooting great out to 70 yards. I killed a pronghorn at 61 yards that year, no misses.

I need to practice consistently though to remain sharp, and most years I limit myself to 30-35 yards depending on how my practice sessions have been going.
 

fackelberry

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I agree with LCH. A person better practice alot and be confident in his ABILITY and equipment. When i shoot my bow i continuely practice out to 80 yards. The reason isn't to shoot one that far with my first shot. it is incase things havn't went as planned on the FIRST closer shot as often happens in bowhunting. On that note, i shot the one and only whitetail i have with a bow in Wyoming at 60 yards. It was a quartering away shot, the arrow went in right before the last rib and came out the shoulder on the offside and buried in the ground, where i had to physically pull it out, it wasn't just laying on the ground. When you consistently practice to 80 yards and are confident, it helps make those 40,50 and sometimes 60 yard shots alot easier. But each person is different and has different ability. Just like most of the long range rifle hunters i see now days. Most of them shouldn't be shooting at game that far, just because the rifle CAN, doesn't mean the hunter has the ability too! Most of them shoot off of benches and sandbags to practice. How many benches and sandbags have you ever ran into out hunting? Some people can shoot targets awesome, put a live big game animal in front of them, especially one with bigger than average antlers and they get buck fever so bad and the shakes. I've seen it alot out west here. I'm gonna quote my dad with his favorite saying on that, he has always tyold me since i was a kid " targets don't give people buck fever"!
 

Bonecollector

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Some may disagree, but seems the majority due not according to the poll. I would take this shot day 1 if that is as close as I could get to the buck. I routinely practice to 100 yds and once per month pop balloons at 150 yds.
 

Hilltop

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Most modern archery setups are very capable of ethical kills at that range. The only decision is whether the hunter is capable and comfortable.
 

Gr8bawana

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It depends a lot on the hunter and what range he or she has practiced at and is confident in their shooting abilities.
To someone from brush choked eastern whitetail country 60 yards could be like shooting a mile. Out here in the wide open west 60 yards is nothing. I practice to 60 yards all the time and am very confident in my ability to shoot a deer at that range but 60 yards is my personal limit. There are many who shoot much longer ranges a game with a bow but it is not up to me to say whether that is ethical or not.
 

ando_31

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I'm curious what happens to the poll if the deer is only 100 inches or less. Do you all think there will be more "shoots" or "don't shoot"? Should it matter on the size? Can people give honest answers without being in "the moment"? I still get buck fever/excited and have taken less than favorable shots "in the moment" (usually it involves large antlers). It is always easier to be "ethical" with a keyboard under your trigger finger.
 

Bonecollector

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Andro-
I take the shot's I like and feel comfortable with. However, I would pass on a 100" deer and continue hunting for something bigger.
My decision is based on my shooting ability and what I'm hunting and I'm not hunting a 100" deer. :)

However, I bet there are those who would sling an arrow based on rack size...the same guys throwing lead beyond their individual comfort range.
 

johnsd16

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If you are proficient and have practiced at that distance and beyond with your equipment and it is a modern compound then yes. Conditions are perfect. No wind, calm animal. Today for me, no, haven't been shooting enough. When I practice a lot I shoot most at 60 or beyond. Makes the close shots easy. With today's gear if you can't get good at 20-30 yes there's something g going on.
 

ivorytip

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60 yards is a very very doable shot. No question. But, like was said. If its not something you practice don't shoot.
 

Slugz

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60 yards is a very very doable shot. No question. But, like was said. If its not something you practice don't shoot.
X2

This convo compliments the ULR shot taking on tv.......if you practice it and are proficient.....then I'm all for an ethical kill.
Practice = multi situation, multi angle, multi distance in my book. I'm very lucky our range at home has different size targets spread out from 20 -80 yards to practice on.
 

mcseal2

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I'm not a bowhunter anymore and don't consider myself a long range hunter with my rifle. I bow hunted whitetail through high school and college and really enjoyed it. I also learned an awful lot that made me a better hunter during that time and the hours spent in the woods. I took a few mature bucks and never shot one from a treestand, I got them all from ground level hunting along trails and putting a big tree between me and the trail I used as cover, drew the bow while the buck was blocked from my sight by the tree. After college my time constraints and hunting desire had to make a compromise, I gave up the bow and the long season so I could focus on hunting during the shorter rifle and muzzle loader seasons and focus on work the rest of the fall. I really want to pick the bow back up every fall, but I have more time constraints than ever and my drive when focusing on hunting gets in the way of the rest of my life, best that I don't at this time.

I am curious, what is the time of flight of an arrow at that range with a modern bow?

My bowhunting ended about 2002 and I know the technology has come a long way since then. I practiced with my bow a lot back when I hunted with it at 80yds on a target pinned up to the round bales in our hayshed. I never shot past half that distance at a deer, but practicing at longer ranges really helped show me the problems in my shooting form. An older employee at the bow shop I frequented back then told me to shoot long and if I got good there, I'd be really good up close. I took it to heart and felt it helped. I apply it to my shooting with firearms also and feel it helps. I shoot my rifles practicing farther than I would shoot game. Over time I have extended my comfortable distance through practice and it really helps my confidence at shorter ranges.

I have a hard time answering max range questions like this, because I feel that it depends so much on the conditions. With a rifle am I prone over a pack with tons of time to range, use the wind meter, get set? Am I kneeling off sticks or sitting behind my upright pack? I have learned from hunting predators and game what shots are high percentage and what are not by how steady I can get my crosshairs against the animal and what the range is. If I can make the shot closer and higher percentage I always will, but if I can't I get into the best position I can and look through the scope. This shows me how little I can make the reticle wobble and if I should take the shot or not.

One variable that always needs considered when stretching the range of your weapon is time of flight. How far can the animal move before the projectile arrives. No matter how perfect your shot is, if the time of flight will be long enough the animal may not be where you shot for when the projectile arrives. A bedded animal unaware of your presence gives you more leeway, a moving or feeding animal gives you less. I always feel that a hunter owes it to their quarry to know how long it takes their projectile to cover the distance when you start approaching your max range, and factor that into their decisions.

Just my 2 cents and something I think gets overlooked by some. I talk to a lot of hunters who think about an animal jumping the string, but not about other movement. Predator hunting taught me a lot on this, shooting at animals with small vital areas that switch directions frequently.
 

Bonecollector

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To help you put it in perspective: a bow shooting an arrow at 325 ft/sec is moving at 220 miles per hour.
Obviously it slows down the further it travels, but wanted to give you an understanding. This really puts into perspective when a deer 'jumps the string'.
I think there are a lot of variables to consider and this scenario and many of them are only known by the shooter themselves, thus there is no right/wrong answer.
 

ScottR

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I think the reality is that most of us have no business shooting that far at a live target. The guys who are proficient enough to kill at that distance often don't shoot animals at those distances.

50 and under for me.
 

Ikeepitcold

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As of rite now I don't think I would. Do I THINK I could make that shot? Yes, but unless it was perfect conditions and another years practice I would be on the fence. I'm new to archery so that is a big disadvantage for me in this scenario.
 

Catahoula12

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I think for most of us bowhunters 60 yards is realistically a long shot. There are lots of variables that can and will come into play at full draw. Those variables are per the shooters abilities and thought processes. I for one would probably not take that shot at 60 yards. I can make multiple 60 yard shots at paper and 3D targets but at the live creatures?.... 45 or less.... and there are those hunters that can and will make ethical kills beyond 60 as well.