Colo Point Banking

[jimss]

I'm not sure if you are aware but the point banking issue has returned in Colorado. I was unaware of this until late in the 5 year plan process. If you enjoy hunting Colo on a regular basis you may want to get involved! This could dramatically make it tougher to draw tags in Colo in the coming years....especially tags that take only a few pref pts to draw. If you think point creep is bad now wait until this is re-introduced!

I found out that the CBA is supporting this issue without any input or explanation to it's members. If you have a chance to contact the CBA and the CPW in regard to this issue please do so! There are some interesting posts on the Monstermuley website in the Colo forum. The number of years it takes to draw tags in Colo may have just taken a giant leap in the wrong direction...without you even knowing about it!

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

I'm not sure if you are aware but the point banking issue has returned in Colorado. I was unaware of this until late in the 5 year plan process. If you enjoy hunting Colo on a regular basis you may want to get involved! This could dramatically make it tougher to draw tags in Colo in the coming years....especially tags that take only a few pref pts to draw. If you think point creep is bad now wait until this is re-introduced!

I found out that the CBA is supporting this issue without any input or explanation to it's members. If you have a chance to contact the CBA and the CPW in regard to this issue please do so! There are some interesting posts on the Monstermuley website in the Colo forum. The number of years it takes to draw tags in Colo may have just taken a giant leap in the wrong direction...without you even knowing about it!

I have been aware of it and written several time to the Commission and the Department. I have also brought it up several times here and attached a link to comment to the commission. I knew that the point issues was a topic with a lot of interest in this years discussions for the next 5 year structure. We still need to get comments to them asap.

 

[HiMtnHnter]

I have been aware of it and written several time to the Commission and the Department. I have also brought it up several times here and attached a link to comment to the commission. I knew that the point issues was a topic with a lot of interest in this years discussions for the next 5 year structure. We still need to get comments to them asap.

Seems like mostly nonresidents in the 5-15 point range would be interested in point banking. I don't know anyone like that . . . .

 

[Alabama]

Seems like mostly nonresidents in the 5-15 point range would be interested in point banking. I don't know anyone like that . . . .

I know a non-resident with 2 that's not for it......

 

[jimss]

Take a look at the following CPW website. http://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Hunting/BigGame/5YearSeasonStructure/PostDraw05_13PrefPtsbyRes.pdf

You'll notice that around 60 to 75% of the total deer and elk applicants only have 2 or less pref pts. The majority of hunters in Colo only have a few pref pts and prefer to draw tags more often. Point banking would make it take longer for the majority of hunters in Colo to draw tags. It could be called "point leaping" in units that currently take 0 to 10 pref pts to draw.....HORRIBLE IDEA!

 

[jimss]

Here is an interesting post from the MM website:

Point creep will by the CPW's own projections increase low to mid tier units by 2-3 points.

So current 0 point units will jump up to 1-3
current 1 point units 3-4
current 2 point units 4-5
current 3 point units 5-6
Current 4 point units 6-8

So on and so on and this is the CPW's projections! That is for deer there are so many elk points out there that the above #'s will jump by 1-2 points or more.

Also I talk with a lot of folks and for you that dont think point banking is coming back think again. Both the outfitters association and CBA are pushing hard for it. This tried and failed idea is getting the push it needs to come back....

Let the CPW know how you feel or if you dont have a ton of points get ready to either buy a LO voucher or give up hunting your 0 point unit every year as soon that unit will take 2-3 points to draw. If you dont have points and point banking comes back it will be 5 years until you draw a current 1-2 pt unit...

Again this is the CPW's plan and their goal is that it will take more points to draw. It is ignorant to think that point banking will not slam the everyday hunter who hunts and does not build points. In reality it will as there are a ton of points holders out there with 8-12 points that will never draw 44 4th and are looking to jump off the point ship.

 

[Robberbaronista]

Excuse my ignorance- what is "point banking"


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[Work2hunt]

If I am not mistaken...point banking allows you to keep whatever points were not needed to draw that particular hunt. For example, if I have 10 points, but the hunt I draw only needed 5 I get to keep 5 points for future use.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

If I am not mistaken...point banking allows you to keep whatever points were not needed to draw that particular hunt. For example, if I have 10 points, but the hunt I draw only needed 5 I get to keep 5 points for future use.

That is what we had a few years ago, but it only lasted 1 or 2 years if I remember.

 

[CoHiCntry]

That is what we had a few years ago, but it only lasted 1 or 2 years if I remember.

If I remember right it was only one year. I don't remember any drastic riprocussions either. It seems like most guys didn't bite. If this does happen it will be interesting to see how it affects the draws. I wouldn't think it would affect the 0-2 point areas as much as the 5-10 point areas. I wouldn't doubt if it does little good either way.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

If I remember right it was only one year. I don't remember any drastic riprocussions either. It seems like most guys didn't bite. If this does happen it will be interesting to see how it affects the draws. I wouldn't think it would affect the 0-2 point areas as much as the 5-10 point areas. I wouldn't doubt if it does little good either way.

I think you are right.

 

[llp]

I am in favor of point banking. It will do a lot to reduce the point creep inthe higher demand units, especially if employed for the entire 5 year structure. All the doom and gloom by Jimss is not warranted. Of course everybody has their own specific self -interest, and every rule, and every rule change effects somebody negatively (and others positively). With 22 elk points I don't intend to use point banking. My son has 10 points, and may very well choose a "lesser" unit to retain some points. As I said, the effects are different for everybody. Without changes to the system, point creep will only worsen, and the entire system will likely be changed after it collapses under its own problems.
llp

 

[Granby guy]

Point banking will dramatically increase the points it will require to draw the lower and mid tier draw units and will have no impact on the top tier units. When you draw a tag you should lose all of your points. All of this hype is over 7 elk units.

 

[CoHiCntry]

Point banking will dramatically increase the points it will require to draw the lower and mid tier draw units and will have no impact on the top tier units. When you draw a tag you should lose all of your points. All of this hype is over 7 elk units.

I keep hearing of the negative affect on lower and mid tier units but haven't heard any real data that supports it. It's bound to have a little affect but I wonder how much? I don't remember there being much of any affect last time??? If anybody has some real numbers to support the claim that would be nice. I personally think there's a lot of hype and even if it does go into affect hardly no one will take advantage of it therefore the affect will be minimal at best.

 

[BKC]

Im also in favor of point banking and i think it must be given 5 years to see how it affects all draw units. It may affect some units but I believe that after 5 years, it could alliviate a lot of the point creep going on.

 

[packmule]

I just don't think the top point holders are going to burn them. The guys I know with over 20 deer points are going to sit it out until 4th seasons come back in the Basin. The mid tier guys may burn them on decent units if they have a shot at drawing again in a few years instead of starting back from scratch. The 0-2pt units should be in more danger from ppl resetting to 0 bc that's all they can try to draw. (For deer)... Those same guys have similar points for elk and are looking at the 2/201 units like everyone else with no intention of going elsewhere. Too cheap to hunt bulls in other areas of the state just for fun hunts.

 

[Umpqua Hunter]

The guys who will go for point banking would be guys like my son with 11 NR points for elk who are in no man's land as for as the top tags. He can't catch the top 5 units but could draw 2 or 3 good tags with his points. Those are the scenarios that will create point creep on lower point units.

 

[packmule]

UH, you could go for 61, bank some points and hunt one of those units with him.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

Agree with UH on this one. Guys in the middle, if they are smart and can't get the top tags for two decades, will break their PPs apart and do 2 or 3 hunts with them. That is bound to up the lower unit requirements in PPs to some extent, but who knows what it will be until it happens.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

Agree with UH on this one. Guys in the middle, if they are smart and can't get the top tags for two decades, will break their PPs apart and do 2 or 3 hunts with them. That is bound to up the lower unit requirements in PPs to some extent, but who knows what it will be until it happens.

That's my thoughts too. Although I think it will take several years to effect the point creep in a positive way if at all.