Colo Point Banking

ColoradoV

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I am a member of CBA and vote.

IMO if you are a 9 to 10 year old in Colorado under banking units that this person could have hunted a 1 pt unit when they were 16, 18, and 20 they will be totally eliminated from hunting the same unit until they are 19 - 20..

For local kids who have planned on hunting deer in their backyard it would have a huge effect.

Also I think kids are part of the discussion and when you have someone hunting 2,3,4,5 or more years in a row you will have hunters not hunting 2,3,4,5 or more years in a row and these will be the hunters with the least points. The hunter with the least points in 2018 is a 10 year old now shooting his bow with his father.

For elk the show that is otc will get worse and yea you can take your kid on that type of hunt. But for deer and drawing any current deer draw area under point banking looks bleak if you are a kid.
 

mallardsx2

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Interesting topic worthy of being re-introduced to the top of the list. As a person in their 30's applying for points across the west these are all things to consider. I find myself wondering if it is really worth the hassle and investment in the points.

I have been applying for several years for sheep/moose tags and financially I decided it just is not worth it.

As weird st this sounds the only thing I know for certain is that people will die or become too old to hunt. On top of that I see people making mistakes and applying for cow elk tags with 15 points...

Point banking would certainly mess up my 5 year plan..

I just hope that if point banking is ever adopted that the OTC hunting areas (than most of us "Youngsters" enjoy) don't turn into more of a circus than what it already is.
 

njdoxie

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If the same number of tags are issued, how does this change who is able to hunt? My brain is melting trying to understand that.
 
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Zim

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I've been told by a couple residents in the know that this issue is dead and buried and point banking won't come back.
 

Alabama

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If the same number of tags are issued, how does this change who is able to hunt? My brain is melting trying to understand that.
Hypothetical scenario: Somebody that's been chasing one of the high end elk hunts has 16 points. He or she realizes they will never catch up to those units because of point creep, so they set their sites on a unit that takes 5 points to draw. They draw and have 11 points left. They then draw that unit again, they have 6 points left. They decide to hunt it again. That's 3 hunts they took up with those points instead of drawing once and going back to 0. Another guy with 3 points is 2 years away from drawing the same unit. If only a few of the upper point guys jump into this same unit he goes from being able to draw in 2 years to 3, 4, or more. I know it's dead now, I was just trying to explain it to njdoxie.

How can anyone think this will help point creep? Whoever thought of this probably couldn't do 2nd grade math. I'm glad this is dead and buried, hopefully for good.
 

HiMtnHnter

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Hypothetical scenario: Somebody that's been chasing one of the high end elk hunts has 16 points. He or she realizes they will never catch up to those units because of point creep, so they set their sites on a unit that takes 5 points to draw. They draw and have 11 points left. They then draw that unit again, they have 6 points left. They decide to hunt it again. That's 3 hunts they took up with those points instead of drawing once and going back to 0. Another guy with 3 points is 2 years away from drawing the same unit. If only a few of the upper point guys jump into this same unit he goes from being able to draw in 2 years to 3, 4, or more. I know it's dead now, I was just trying to explain it to njdoxie.

How can anyone think this will help point creep? Whoever thought of this probably couldn't do 2nd grade math. I'm glad this is dead and buried, hopefully for good.
It wouldn't help the lower point units. It could, if done for more than a few years, take some pressure off higher pp units. In CO, the pp gap between low and high pp units is hilarious, especially for elk. Units take just a few pp, or they take 15 plus. They just wanted guys to drop out of the hoarding game.
 

jimss

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I was super glad when this was defeated and hopefully never returns...for the reasons Alabama mentioned above!
 

NH Hunter

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Hi, just joined so i can make a reply to this thread to add my $0.02 on CO point banking and my opinion of CO preference point system. I've read a lot on this forum but never posted.

I have been hunting in CO every year, ecept 2, since 1994. I hunt with a resident who is a buddy of mine and we do DIY. For years we hunted 2nd or 3rd rifle in OTC GMU 13. I used to buy a point every year and go OTC hoping to save enough point for a Ranching For Wildlife tag. In those days that was available to NR's. I have seen CO change the rules a few times and watched the effects of point creep on the limited elk and deer tags. I had 6 points in the bank when I finally wised up and burned them on a 2 point MZ bull hunt. We had a great time and saw some elk and had one very close encounter with one crazy bull. I was hooked. Since then I have been hunting almost every year and I put in for a MZ bull and I draw one every 2 or 3 years. I put in for MZ cow 2nd choice and I have always drawn. The unit we hunt tends to be undersubscribed for cows and I doubt adding a few more tags would totally screw things up. If it does, so be it. I'll take my money somewhere else. I have given up on trying to draw a dream tag in CO. It just don't think it will happen for a NR in the future unless you already have a boatload of points. I say go hunt and don't play the points game any more than you have to. Saving points is a gamble because they can always change the rules and totally mess you up, so to speak. I have 15 NR points in UT.....that will be my dream hunt. Good luck in the draws this spring!

Gregg
 

ColoradoV

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You will not see point banking back as the CPW got 4 or 5 to 1 against the idea as input from hunters. So this idea was only pushed by a few groups and most saw it for what it was a bad idea and the bad idea will not come back. Or point banking is basically a dead issue...

Now if Colorado was serious about reducing point creep first elk would go to draw only for all units bull and cow. Anytime you hunt first or second, or third choice bull or cow LO voucher or draw you burn all your points. Same for deer. By year 3 point creep would be gone. But the CPW loves the cash cow that is OTC elk hunting as it is not about the opportunity as they say but how much $ they can stick in the coffers.

It is not only the CPW who has a problem but also us hunters who want to hunt and get a point every year (like me i hunt every year and gain a point for both deer and elk). Plain and simple as long as us hunters have to be able to hunt and build a point creep will not go away.

Anyway point creep plays very little into how I hunt so I basically with let the folks who have been brainwashed to think points buy inches keep thinking that way and myself along w many others will keep hunting draw units every year and get a point in the process adding to what some perceive as a problem. Truth is points are not a substitute for dedicating the time to learn a unit, scout it, then hunt hard.
 

NH Hunter

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Very good points ColoradoV. CO brings in a lot of $$$$$$ with their game tags. IIRC, it goes into the general fund, not CPW's budget, correct? You don't need to draw a tough unit to see good bulls. I saw a nice 6X6 on my cow hunt two years ago that I would've been proud to hang on my wall. I had a cow tag in my pocket and took the cow twenty yards behind him. My buddy shot a 7X6 two years earlier on BLM land in 15. On the other hand another hunting buddy from CO burned all his elk points on a GMU 61 first season rifle tag and came away empty. Why? Because he wouldn't get out of the truck and hunt 'em up. He thought just because he had an awesome tag in his pocket that big bull was going to jump in the back of his truck.