Wyoming Corner Hopping Turns Into Hunter Harassment?

[Winchester]

^^ That's for Buzz

 

[mallardsx2]

I cant view his posts anymore on Eastmans Forum and I ignored him on all of the other forums....lol

Its great, truly it is, and the forum is a much more enjoyable experience for me.

 

[Winchester]

Great point mallards. I put Buzz on ignore a long time ago too. The Forum is so much more enjoyable without his negative, augmentative B.S.
I made the mistake of un-ignoring him this morning because I thought he might have something useful to say about this topic.
I was mistaken.
It's back on ignore for Buzzy.

 

[BuzzH]

^^ Thanks for proving my point ... you just like to argue.

People were just discussing possibilities.
No one accused the hunters of anything.
Stick to the facts, they matter.

That's a real nice bull in that picture in your profile...if you didn't poach it out of season, if you didn't jack light it, if you weren't shooting from the vehicle, etc. All of which are a possibility.

 

[BuzzH]

Hiking a ladder out to a corner crossing with 2 signs, a chain, and a padlock is a strange way to look for a peaceful hunt.
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I'm hoping positive change comes from their case. I hope people can legally access the public parcels requiring corner crossing in the future without fear of harassment. However I don't believe for a minute they didn't think they would attract attention by doing it.

You don't have any idea what they thought...I do.

They contacted the warden and Sheriff, both told them what they were doing was not wrong, and it's stated in the discovery of the 66 page motion to dismiss.

I say they went out of their way, above and beyond, to ensure they didn't trespass on private property...which both the Sheriff and the Warden stated on the record...also in the discovery.

What benefit is it to you or this case, to question their motives?

What you, and the Helms piece are doing is the exact reason why things that benefit public access are so difficult to accomplish.

No matter how much good a person does, there's always somebody (99% of the time not involved in any way) more than willing to criticize, second guess, and question everything. Cheap seat, Monday morning quarterbacks who would rather run static than get behind something that will not only benefit hunters, but 340,000,000 public land owners.

With "friends" like that....yada yada

 

[Hilltop]

You don't have any idea what they thought...I do.

They contacted the warden and Sheriff, both told them what they were doing was not wrong, and it's stated in the discovery of the 66 page motion to dismiss.

I say they went out of their way, above and beyond, to ensure they didn't trespass on private property...which both the Sheriff and the Warden stated on the record...also in the discovery.

What benefit is it to you or this case, to question their motives?

What you, and the Helms piece are doing is the exact reason why things that benefit public access are so difficult to accomplish.

No matter how much good a person does, there's always somebody (99% of the time not involved in any way) more than willing to criticize, second guess, and question everything. Cheap seat, Monday morning quarterbacks who would rather run static than get behind something that will not only benefit hunters, but 340,000,000 public land owners.

With "friends" like that....yada yada

I wasn't questioning their motives. I'm questioning your statements because you went out of your way to poke at me when in reality I was sticking up for the idea that they likely had good proof behind their harassment claims. Go read my original post in the context of the thread.

I'll stand behind my statement that they knew they would attract attention from the landowners. Otherwise why contact the sheriff and wardens before hand?

 

[BuzzH]

I wasn't questioning their motives. I'm questioning your statements because you went out of your way to poke at me when in reality I was sticking up for the idea that they likely had good proof behind their harassment claims. Go read my original post in the context of the thread.

I'll stand behind my statement that they knew they would attract attention from the landowners. Otherwise why contact the sheriff and wardens before hand?

There's nothing ambiguous and you aren't listening, its not "likely" they had good proof...the direct evidence of harassment is in discovery.

Its also been pointed out, now three times, that with direct conversations with the Chief Game Warden in Wyoming, that nothing short of video or recordings of harassment will a citation be issued.

What would lead you to even remotely believe the hunters are lying about the harassment that DID take place? If it didn't happen, and if the proof of same wasn't sufficient, the citation wouldn't have ever been issued.

It's sad that legitimate hunters, who did nothing more than legally hunt public land are questioned by their own...pathetic actually.

 

[Winchester]

I keep seeing "ignored member replied" pop up.
Lemme guess ... Buzz is still arguing and being a condescending little prick.
I guess that's why he gets put on ignore on this forum and lot's of others.
He'll never learn how to get along with others.

 

[Hilltop]

There's nothing ambiguous and you aren't listening, its not "likely" they had good proof...the direct evidence of harassment is in discovery.

Its also been pointed out, now three times, that with direct conversations with the Chief Game Warden in Wyoming, that nothing short of video or recordings of harassment will a citation be issued.

What would lead you to even remotely believe the hunters are lying about the harassment that DID take place? If it didn't happen, and if the proof of same wasn't sufficient, the citation wouldn't have ever been issued.

It's sad that legitimate hunters, who did nothing more than legally hunt public land are questioned by their own...pathetic actually.

So what is ambiguous in my original statement? "Surely knowing that they brought along a camera, or at minimum, a good phone to take video." The beginning of the thread questioned them but my post did not. You are just firing shots in any direction. As to my choice to use the term "likely", that is simply because I have not seen or heard the evidence and taking your word for something isn't something I am inclined to do.

 

[JimP]

I keep seeing "ignored member replied" pop up.
Lemme guess ... Buzz is still arguing and being a condescending little prick.
I guess that's why he gets put on ignore on this forum and lot's of others.
He'll never learn how to get along with others.

I used to place members on forums on ignore but then I found that I missed a lot of what others were saying and needed to go unignore that person to see what all the hubbub was about.

I learned to just ignore those who I want to, I may read part of their post but at least I know what is going on. I also just don't reply to what they are posting.

 

[BuzzH]

So what is ambiguous in my original statement? "Surely knowing that they brought along a camera, or at minimum, a good phone to take video." The beginning of the thread questioned them but my post did not. You are just firing shots in any direction. As to my choice to use the term "likely", that is simply because I have not seen or heard the evidence and taking your word for something isn't something I am inclined to do.

Then if you don't know, leave the gossip at the bar or barber shop.

I'm not inclined to let gossip get in the way of the facts.

Post a single thing about this case that I've provided that isn't a fact.

I'll be waiting.

 

[Yell Co AR Hunter]

I have not hunted a lot of Wyoming, but all the areas I have hunted, I have experience Land owners abusing access to public land. The major two things I have experienced Is leased BLM land , and trying to close public roads. I was told by a land owner I was in his pasture when OnX clearly showed it as public BLM. The other trick is to put No Trespass tires on both sides of a cattle guard. The land owner owns both sides but the road is public and open to drive. I have even seen pink ribbon tied across the cattle guard with tires on both sides. Also a turned sign can fool a lot of hunters. I have a feeling who is doing the turning. Just make sure you have good GSP and mapping system.
Another thing to keep in mind when hunting walk in areas. With land owner permission some on can drive right by you 3 miles in and beat you to a spot.

 

[kidoggy]

I used to place members on forums on ignore but then I found that I missed a lot of what others were saying and needed to go unignore that person to see what all the hubbub was about.

I learned to just ignore those who I want to, I may read part of their post but at least I know what is going on. I also just don't reply to what they are posting.

that's the grown up and rational coarse . unfortunately there is a handful of members who are so very thin skinned they can't handle doing such.

that is why no problem can ever be fixed . no one can identify the problem without some snowflake being offended.

 

[Bonecollector]

There’s one fact missing from all of these posts including the blowhard. It took four out- of -staters to start getting some possible legislation moving on a problem that’s been happening in the state for decades. Don’t act like you’re doing something here. Speaking loudly and riding the coattails of others is not very flattering when you’ve left this problem to go on for decades. Many folks, including posters on this thread, purposely put yourself on a pedestal of public opinion in the positions you hold and the companies you run.
Same goes for the BHA and they’re choosing when to and when not to get involved.
This may not be received well, and possibly removed, but this forum is supposed to encourage public land hunting and should be an advocate for it. Based in the great state of Wyoming, we should ALL get behind things like this. This too is a form of conservation and conservation is more than just making money. If we don’t all do our part it won’t be long we’ll no longer have public lands, guns or participate in hunting. Additionally we will also no longer be making money. Be sure you’re seeing the forest for the trees.

BHA and blowhards getting behind a cause….

 

[BuzzH]

There’s one fact missing from all of these posts including the blowhard. It took four out- of -staters to start getting some possible legislation moving on a problem that’s been happening in the state for decades. Don’t act like you’re doing something here. Speaking loudly and riding the coattails of others is not very flattering when you’ve left this problem to go on for decades. Many folks, including posters on this thread, purposely put yourself on a pedestal of public opinion in the positions you hold and the companies you run.
Same goes for the BHA and they’re choosing when to and when not to get involved.
This may not be received well, and possibly removed, but this forum is supposed to encourage public land hunting and should be an advocate for it. Based in the great state of Wyoming, we should ALL get behind things like this. This too is a form of conservation and conservation is more than just making money. If we don’t all do our part it won’t be long we’ll no longer have public lands, guns or participate in hunting. Additionally we will also no longer be making money. Be sure you’re seeing the forest for the trees.

BHA and blowhards getting behind a cause….

The reason we got involved in this is because there had never been another hunter ever, that has been cited for criminal trespass for corning crossing to hunt in Wyoming. There was no cherry picking here, again get your facts straight before you open your mouth. Pretty tough to "ride coattails" when you're the first through the wall, if only obviously. I would also venture a guess the $67,000 we raised for defending these guys is not exactly how I would define "riding coattails"...just sayin'.

There have been ZERO cited under title 23-303 (google it) either, since the Kearny case(google it again).

You're also wrong about "getting legislation going" there was a bill ran by Rep. Harshman in 2011 to make corner crossing legal. Another bill was attempted a couple years later to make it illegal.

Both bills failed.

Like I've said...facts matter and you have not a single one.

What have you done to address corner crossing?

Yeah, just what I thought...ZIP.

Keep it up, you're doing great...maybe you can muster up some extra effort and post another picture.

 

[DRUSS]

lots of good points and thought being brought up on this topic and thread. Not sure why some things get sent as a personal slam?
what i have learned through the time ive been online is that nobody will ever know the truth of any said situation, except the people that were there at that specific time. Doesnt matter how its reported or reviewed. Maybe one of the actual guys involved is a forum member and speaking up?
i dont think thats the case but its possible.

 

[BuzzH]

lots of good points and thought being brought up on this topic and thread. Not sure why some things get sent as a personal slam?
what i have learned through the time ive been online is that nobody will ever know the truth of any said situation, except the people that were there at that specific time. Doesnt matter how its reported or reviewed. Maybe one of the actual guys involved is a forum member and speaking up?
i dont think thats the case but its possible.

Myself and a few others, including JM77, have spent several hours on zoom calls and the phone with all 4 of them...I have a pretty good idea what happened.

 

[Bonecollector]

The reason we got involved in this is because there had never been another hunter ever, that has been cited for criminal trespass for corning crossing to hunt in Wyoming. There was no cherry picking here, again get your facts straight before you open your mouth. Pretty tough to "ride coattails" when you're the first through the wall, if only obviously. I would also venture a guess the $67,000 we raised for defending these guys is not exactly how I would define "riding coattails"...just sayin'.

There have been ZERO cited under title 23-303 (google it) either, since the Kearny case(google it again).

You're also wrong about "getting legislation going" there was a bill ran by Rep. Harshman in 2011 to make corner crossing legal. Another bill was attempted a couple years later to make it illegal.

Both bills failed.

Like I've said...facts matter and you have not a single one.

What have you done to address corner crossing?

Yeah, just what I thought...ZIP.

Keep it up, you're doing great...maybe you can muster up some extra effort and post another picture.

You’re wrong. This has been an ongoing issue for years and you along with others have done absolutely nothing. The fact these guys are being charged doesn’t justify your lack of past behavior. That is an irrefutable fact. Yes you’ve stated a lot of facts but not all of them. How’s that for cherry picking…
You too need to get your story straight.
Trust me, I’m the guy you don’t want to meet at that crossing.
BTW- I support the efforts of the four and NOW yours for finally getting involved. However I suggest your check your tone as you may do more harm than good trying to help these four even if you have the facts. That will do none of us any good.

 

[BuzzH]

You’re wrong. This has been an ongoing issue for years and you along with others have done absolutely nothing. That is an irrefutable fact. Yes you’ve stated a lot of facts but not all of them. How’s that for cherry picking…
You too need to get your story straight.
Trust me, I’m the guy you don’t want to meet at that crossing.

Show me a single case of corner crossing to hunt being cited under criminal trespass in Wyoming prior to this one.

You forgot to mention all the work you've done on corner crossing in Wyoming.

Oh, I've crossed paths with plenty of tuffies like you...I can handle myself just fine.

 

[Bonecollector]

Show me a single case of corner crossing to hunt being cited under criminal trespass in Wyoming prior to this one.

You forgot to mention all the work you've done on corner crossing in Wyoming.

Oh, I've crossed paths with plenty of tuffies like you...I can handle myself just fine.

Don’t mix words. This has been an ongoing issue for years and we didn’t need a criminal case to fix it. Stop your circle jerk.
To answer your question, I’ve accomplished as much as you have concerning the issue. That’s a fact.

Best to know your query before you hunt it….. I'm not some internet tuff guy and no keyboard warrior.

I’d like to hear from Guy and Ike on this issue as well.