This would give the antis a seat at the wildlife management table, much like charging the non hunting public to use the gamelands, this is a very very bad idea!! please leave a comment!!! http://fwp.mt.gov/news/publicNotices/armRules/pn_0177.html
Montana, antis attempt to buy seat at wildlife management
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Musket Man
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I left comment. I agree its a bad idea. MTFPW is in such a financial crisis from increased tag fees, wolves, and low tag sales that they are looking to generate money any way they can I think.
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Also left a comment and it wasn't pleasant after reading the proposal. What are they thinking?????????
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I guess you guys need to clue me in why you're against that wolf stamp idea because that's all the link I clicked on in the OP post was about. I see nothing that would give any particular person or organization any pull since it says where the money will go. It appears all it is will be a way to get more money into the coffers to help pay for the wolf program and is just a way for nonconsumptive users (hikers, bikers, photographers, etc.) to pay into the fund. Almost all hunters have been saying for a long time that nonconsumptive users need to pay their fair share for management of our rersources and this is what that is doing. What, if anything, am I missing here?
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Alabama
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I thought it was the wrong link. I'm not saying it's good or bad because I didn't really understand everything that it was talking about. It said something about restoring wolf habitat. That sounds like expansion of wolves to me. I'm not sure about giving antis a seat at the table for the management of game species.
Againstthewind
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I am kindof with Topgun from I what I could tell. The wolves are here to stay and they need some way to pay for the management of them. It did seem to say they might pay for buying wolf habitat in "occupied" areas. I don't really see how it is a seat for antihunters the table either. More wardens might help with knowing where problem wolves are so they can relocate them or something, but they might catch more of the shoot, shovel, and shut up guys, too. The National forest campgrounds sometimes charge $15 a night, and it sucks, but I will pay that for the nice campgrounds, so I am ok with fund raising for game management. Not quite the same thing.
Musket Man
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Because the wolf stamps will all be bought by wolf hugers and then they will say since they have been putting money in for wolves that should have more say in managing them or not managing them as they want. Its another way for them to get another foot in the door and more leverage and influence on DFW.
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This^^^^^^^^^^ Once the non hunting groups start to put money into the MTFPW they will expect have a greater say in the protection of the wolves and quotas. Once that door is opened it will be hard to turn it back.
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Againstthewind
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I didn't think of that. Thanks for pointing that out. Money talks I guess. From the articles on it, there was no opposition in the public comments before it passed unanimously from the commission. http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/zstrong/_wolf_photo_by_will.html
I am not sure if that was true or not. Some of the anti-wolf hunting groups were against it because they don't want any management, but some articles were very in favor. http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2014/06/02/mdfwp-wolf-conservation-stamp-a-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing/ Maybe groups like RMEF and the beef lobby will out lobby the wolf dudes, or the comments will get through like the Idaho deal a couple weeks ago.
Now we need to work on getting coal trains through Spokane,
. Those Starbucks out there are stressing us out over here.
I am not sure if that was true or not. Some of the anti-wolf hunting groups were against it because they don't want any management, but some articles were very in favor. http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2014/06/02/mdfwp-wolf-conservation-stamp-a-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing/ Maybe groups like RMEF and the beef lobby will out lobby the wolf dudes, or the comments will get through like the Idaho deal a couple weeks ago.
Now we need to work on getting coal trains through Spokane,
. Those Starbucks out there are stressing us out over here.You guys aren't thinking straight. The anti's already have a seat at the table. They have controlled (through lawsuits) much of wolf management for far too long. I am fine with them creating the tag. And don't worry, they won't sell very many, either. The anti's never put their money where there mouth is. They use their fundraising for lawsuits, not buying wolf tags and contributing to management.
It will be an excellent way to demonstrate how few dollars are contributed by the tree huggers, and they will loose influence as a result. If by some miracle they contribute real money, and they participate in the management process rather than obstruct it, we all still win. I am all for limiting wolves, and killing most. But the sky isn't falling with this proposal.
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It will be an excellent way to demonstrate how few dollars are contributed by the tree huggers, and they will loose influence as a result. If by some miracle they contribute real money, and they participate in the management process rather than obstruct it, we all still win. I am all for limiting wolves, and killing most. But the sky isn't falling with this proposal.
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Musket Man
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llp, I hope your right but I disagree. True they already have a seat with their lawsuites but this would give them another seat. They want to so this wolf stamp BS to make an easy way for people to "donate" to wolves because people are asking how to donate and there must be alot of them asking for them to do this. MTFPW is hurting for money pretty bad as I understand it.
Musket Man
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Whats the deal with that? Ill go clear the tracks for ya!!!!Now we need to work on getting coal trains through Spokane,
Againstthewind
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lol, ok! There is talk of a new West Coast coal port for exports to Asia and a lot of trains would go through Spokane, but there is a lot of opposition as usual.
Musket Man
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Who cares! Just go! They can go ahead and try to stop a train with 100 cars loaded with coal!!!! Spokane is really against this?
Againstthewind
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I don't think they can stop the trains, legally or otherwise. I think the new port is one of the bigger issues. There was talk of it in Puget Sound I think and down by Portland. There were billboards in Spokane about how it would make it harder for the ambulances to get to the hospital because of 60 more trains a day. If there were 60 more trains a day there would have be like half a dozen new mines open up. Its kindof crazy. They are worried about coal blowing off and polluting everything, too. The only coal I see on the tracks is a spill by the silos, but not anywhere else. I don't know a whole lot about it, you got me off chasing a squirrel again!
Musket Man
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I could see the west side being against it but that is a different country over there..... What was this thread about anyways? HAHA!
I posted this up on a few other message boards, on of the replies came from a guy from NM, his words
"Was at a NM Game Commission meeting where trapping was being attacked by the radical environmental terrorists.
They were really putting on a show of numbers and crying about all the poor trapped animals. When it was my turn to speak I brought up in my commentary about hunters not only funding the G&F Dept. through hunting/trapping lic. sales, but through buying the habitat stamps that improve areas for all wildlife.
Then I turned to the audience and asked them all who had bought a habitat stamp this year?
All the hunters and trappers raised their hand, and you could see the anti's looking at the floor... So, I directed that question to them alone.
Crickets. whistle
Not ONE of them had bought a habitat stamp, and you can buy them without getting a hunting license."
"Was at a NM Game Commission meeting where trapping was being attacked by the radical environmental terrorists.
They were really putting on a show of numbers and crying about all the poor trapped animals. When it was my turn to speak I brought up in my commentary about hunters not only funding the G&F Dept. through hunting/trapping lic. sales, but through buying the habitat stamps that improve areas for all wildlife.
Then I turned to the audience and asked them all who had bought a habitat stamp this year?
All the hunters and trappers raised their hand, and you could see the anti's looking at the floor... So, I directed that question to them alone.
Crickets. whistle
Not ONE of them had bought a habitat stamp, and you can buy them without getting a hunting license."
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I would say the same as MM. I hope you are right but I dont think so. It really seems that this is more of a feel good / revenue grab. Feel good to the antis that want to see the wolf hunting and trapping stopped. And a revenue grab to make up for the revenue lose due to lack luster license sales. Everything that is proposed has been funded in the past.I just don't see any type of a benefit for trappers and hunters from this.
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