What would he score??? (Sheep)

[BigSurArcher]

An old guy I know shot this Stone's back in the 40's. Definitely a monster. He's killed a lot of trophies, but he doesn't really get the whole scoring thing. What do you guys think? Even though it looks huge in these pics, they still don't do the horns justice. I've never seen any photos of a bigger one besides maybe the world record ram.

Here are a couple Dall's he also killed back in the day:

 

[Jerry]

Holy smokes, those are incredible!!! Definitely the things dreams are made of!!!

 

[mntnguide]

I have never put a tape to anything near that size, so i will just go ahead and say it is an absolute monster, and thats my answer on score also.

 

[6mm Remington]

Absolutely amazing! What beautiful animals!! A score of ANY KIND would never do them justice!!

 

[Firearrow]

The stone looks to be about 8 1/2 years old, and I would only be guessing, but I would be safe in saying 190+. The Dall's can't tell. But the first one looks bigger. His lamb tips hook out, and are not broomed. These sheep are in a class of there own, and something only a few of us could ever imagine seeing on the hoof.

 

[Jerry]

Dang, I can't quit looking at these pics!
Firearrow, I agree. I was guessing close to 200.

 

[Firearrow]

I had thought 200+ also, but couldn't see his mass good enough. Would hate to get slammed by someone making a bad est. The length on his right side has to off the chart. Like I said earlier, in a class of there own.

 

[BigSurArcher]

I have looked at it a lot over the years and always figured it was over 200. The mass is crazy on it. Wish I had a pic from behind the show the mass better... but you guys get the idea. The sad thing is, the hunter is almost 90 and has no family left that gives a rats ass about his trophies, nor do they understand how valuable sheep of that caliber are (maybe a good thing?). I've been wanting to ask him if I could take them over when he's gone but I just don't know how to do it. Ideas?

 

[COhunter]

im guessing the ram is over 190...i think he is atleast 11 years old...VERY BIG...i would just ask if you could take care of them for him...im sure he would be glad to have them hang in your trophy room with all of you animals...and if you can ever save the money up, i would get that thing life sized...i know it would cost a bit of money...but you may never see a sheep that big again in your life...anywhere...great pics man...and the dalls are great also!! im a very lucky guy who have a life size dall in my house...(as in dall sheep!!!!) anyways good luck getting them down and cleaning them up...thanks again.

 

[6mm Remington]

The sad thing is, the hunter is almost 90 and has no family left that gives a rats ass about his trophies, nor do they understand how valuable sheep of that caliber are (maybe a good thing?). I've been wanting to ask him if I could take them over when he's gone but I just don't know how to do it. Ideas?

I would say just sit down with him and let him know how special you think those sheep mounts of his are and that you would hate to see something bad happen to them after he is gone. You want to make sure they are taken care of and shared with others who I believe would feel it a very special thing to get to see them. Thanks for sharing the photographs with us because they are really very special. I think you should sit down with him with a digital recorder going and have him tell you the stories of how he got each ram so that you could have that record also just to be a part of the memory of these animals and this special guy that was able to take them.
David.

 

[BigSurArcher]

Thanks guys. 6mm I was thinking about the video idea earlier. If I do that, I will definitely share the stories with you guys. I've heard them and they are pretty badass. It's neat to hear about what the costs of his trips were. Dirt cheap compared to now.

 

[Jerry]

I would say just sit down with him and let him know how special you think those sheep mounts of his are and that you would hate to see something bad happen to them after he is gone. You want to make sure they are taken care of and shared with others who I believe would feel it a very special thing to get to see them. Thanks for sharing the photographs with us because they are really very special. I think you should sit down with him with a digital recorder going and have him tell you the stories of how he got each ram so that you could have that record also just to be a part of the memory of these animals and this special guy that was able to take them.
David.

Great idea 6mm

 

[*******]

I'd put the narrower sheep in the 190-200 range, that wider one should break 205. I wouldn't be suprised to see a 200+ score on the narrow ram either. great sheep!!

 

[Sharpstick]

A guy can just sit and look at those sheep all day long! I think 6mm has some great ideas and i really like the idea of getting the stories with the pictures. heck, maybe he'll pass them on to you. thank you for sharing the pictures with the members of the forum.

 

[Bitterroot Bulls]

That stone sheep is an absolute monster, and is BEGGING for an official measuring. Sounds like a neat old guy. Thanks for posting.

 

[6mm Remington]

Bitterroot Bulls I was just going to add to my post today and suggest that BigSurArcher ask if he could contact an official measurer in the are where this gentlemen lives if he would be willing to have his trophies scored. It would be a neat way I believe to honor both the animal and the hunter if they were officially scored for Boone & Crockett. I don't doubt that the Stone would be way up there and the larger of the two Dalls looks like he would score high as well. They don't charge to score animals and it's a minimal fee to have them officially registered in the record book. I think that would be really special if this took place before the old guy wasn't with us any longer!

 

[SDbowhunter]

great idea 6mm! those sheep are fantastic and the stories behind them would probably be just a good !

 

[spot2]

I have looked at these pics and have talked to a boone and crocket scorer, would love to have more info about these rams

 

[Liv2HntBigBullz]

Keep us posted on what happens. It is a very tough conversation to have for sure. I really like 6mm's approach and think you should definitely give it a go. These are special sheep to all that can appreciate how amazingly tough sheep are to hunt.

 

[Umpqua Hunter]

Wow! This is indeed a huge ram, with tons of mass, it it amazing!

From the pics and due to the sheer mass of this ram, it is hard to get a sense of the length of the horns. The top three Stone rams of all time (190 to 196 class rams) have horn length in the 46" to 50" range. Often flaring horned rams like this one, have tight curls and look deceivingly long. Boy, I don't know though...with all that mass, this ram might have it all.

Some background...the largest Stone ram ever harvested is the Chadwick ram and scores 196 6/8. Many consider the Chadwick ram to be the finest North American trophy ever taken by a hunter. The Chadwick ram is a big piece of North American hunting heritage. The second largest Stone ram of all time scored 190, and I believe there have only been four Stones rams EVER harvested that are over 185.

If this ram actually is a 190+ ram, an organization like the Wild Sheep Foundation really needs be involved. I would highly recommend forwarding your pictures to the Wild Sheep Foundation in Cody Wyoming. They are the leading conservation organization for wild sheep in North America.