Western hunting and conservation expo, contract renewal issue

oneye

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Hey guys, I just wanted to bring up the issue of the 200 permits that were just recently issued to SFW for the next 5 years by Utah. I think this is an important issue to bring up considering how it went down and the favoritism showed towards SFW during the process.

Let's start at the beginning. September 30th was the deadline to turn in bids for conservation groups to try there hand at getting these 200 expo tags to use in an expo in Utah. RMEF turned in a bid that was amazing and much more beneficial to sportsmen, wildlife, and Utah overall on the deadline. I belive they turned in their bid on the deadline so that they had the best chance of not exposing their bid or getting screwed over by the corrupt relationship between SFW and the Utah DWR. Sadly a week or so later the Utah DWR released news that there would be a new process in choosing the organization that would get the bid and the organizations interested would have to do a Request for Proposal to be considered. Now to me, this was very shady. It is obvious RMEF turned in the better bid and the DWR had to find a way that looked pleasing to the public to give SFW a second chance at making their proposal better. Then the criteria for the new RFP was released and the scoring criteria heavily favored SFW's past involvment with the expo an permits. Much of the scoring was based off of past performance of the expo and these permits, rather than what each organization would do if they received the 200 expo permits.

Last Friday the DWR chose to award SFW the 200 expo permits yet again, and now both the proposals have been released. I have read the proposals and it is obvious RMEF would benefit our wildlife, sportsmen, and economy more, but the scoring criteria was rigged in SFW's favor.

The difference between the two proposals were and still are;
-RMEF agreed to give all $5 from permit application fees back to the Utah DWR for wildlife projects, SFW's proposal gives $1.50 back to wildlife and they keep $3.50 to use as they please.
-RMEF agreed to give back 50% off all other proceeds from the expo (entry fees, booth fees,etc.) SFW agreed to nothing.
-RMEF agreed to give 100% of conservation tag funds back to wildlife, SFW will retain 10% for administrative costs


Now it is my opinon RMEF would have a much bigger affect on this expo, attract new public, and the event would be much bigger as well as a much larger percentage of funds being retained for wildlife purposes.

Sadly the Utah DWR decided to award these permits to SFW yet again, and it has become even more obivous the all to friendly relationship that exists between the DWR and SFW. I personally will not apply for any tags or attend the expo again. This was a blatantly corrupt move by the DWR and SFW, and the correct decision was not made. I applaud RMEF as the stand up organization they are that tried to fix a broken system, sadly the corruption runs too deep. I would encourage anyone who thinks this was not right to avoid going to the expo in February in SLC ran by SFW and the MDF. The only thing that is going to fix this, is if the public stops supporting the system that has become so corrupt. If you agree this process was wrong and more money should be givent to benefit wildlife then don't apply for there tags and don't go to the expo. It's sad because I have went the last few years, but I'm done with it at this point. It is a proven event where SFW benefits off of a public resource and thinks they are untouchable.
 

highplainsdrifter

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I don't know anything about corruption relating to the EXPO...I'll take your word for it. But I do know the State of Utah is taking the lead in the push for transferring federal lands to the states. That is about as anti-sportsman as you can get. For that reason alone, I would not attend a sportsman's EXPO in Utah. Nor will I be vacationing in Utah anytime in the near future.
 

oneye

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I don't know anything about corruption relating to the EXPO...I'll take your word for it. But I do know the State of Utah is taking the lead in the push for transferring federal lands to the states. That is about as anti-sportsman as you can get. For that reason alone, I would not attend a sportsman's EXPO in Utah. Nor will I be vacationing in Utah anytime in the near future.
All of the information is verifiable, I can post links if wanted. If RMEF would have got the expo it would have been/be a very worthwhile cause to support, they're great. As for the public land issue, absolutely pitiful and trust me it is the reps at the top not the citizens or sportsman supporting that transfer scam. I love our public lands, the actions being taken in Utah right now on many things are pitiful, and the saddest part is Utah has some of the most amazing wildlife and wild land opportunities around.
 

Fink

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I've been following this for some time now. What a joke the Utah dnr is. At some point, Utah residents will have to stand up to this. Will the RMEF continue to do projects in the state, or will they move on, and only spend their time and money in other states, where it's appreciated?
 

oneye

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I've been following this for some time now. What a joke the Utah dnr is. At some point, Utah residents will have to stand up to this. Will the RMEF continue to do projects in the state, or will they move on, and only spend their time and money in other states, where it's appreciated?
I'm sure RMEF will continue being a stand up organization and keep its mission moving forward within Utah and others. A bump in the road isn't going to stop RMEF from doing what's beneficial to our wildlife.
 

Zim

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This is one state I never wish I'd started applying in. Over 10 years now of deeply embedded corruption, tag & money theft. Just want to draw out on deer and get out of that mess. Utah is officially a lost cause for nonresidents. Any young guys just starting out applying, mark this state off your list and stay away!

Arizona tired this same this HB2072 under an "emergency measure" simply in an attempt to avoid public criticism. Let me ask you something........do you think it's in the ID taxpayers interest to auction off the city parks in Boise? Because this is the same thing. This Don Peay model for wildlife conservation is nothing more than private exploitation of a resource. When this kind of money is generated, it attracts corruption and exploitation by politicians and special interest groups, all at the cost of taxpayers. Utah's system has proven this.

http://kutv.com/…/allegations-of-corruption-surround-utah-h…

http://www.mtbullypulpit.org/2012/06/pox-on-fox.html

http://www.standard.net/…/Transparency-still-debated-around…

https://www.cascwild.org/don-peay-the-man-who-would-be-kin…/

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/…/did-don-peays-organizatio…/

http://www.fieldandstream.com/…/group-founder-declares-nort…

http://westernvaluesproject.org/taxpayer-dollars-down-the-…/

http://www.nytimes.com/…/auctions-introduce-market-forces-t…&

http://www.themudflats.net/archives/25891

This last article displays simply the collateral damage created by this model theft under the guise of conservation. There's never a lack of corruption or scandals surrounding this "model"!
 
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oneye

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If we can get SFW out of our DWR, it will fix a lot of things, don't give up quite yet. They just made a bad move here and I'm just hoping it's enough to send sportsmen over the edge and end this corrupt system.
 

ivorytip

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Utah makes so much stinking money at that expo every year they could care less what the commoner thinks. big boys with big pockets have taken over Utah's anything and everything.
 

oneye

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Trust me the only thing that disgusts me more right now than this is what Utah is doing regarding public lands. I apologize for the representatives in this state that are not only jokes, but corrupt, self serving individuals.
 

Zim

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oneye, Are you aware if any SLC news media did any coverage of this latest scam? The biggest problem SFW is capitalizing on is the relatively low number of voter constituents affected by these scams. Pretty much just the small hunting community, which is a minority. That's the only reason they can get away with this stuff in broad daylight.
 

Maxhunter

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I lived thier for 12yrs. Wasn't my choice but the military's. Once I started researching the hunting is was very clear Don Peay made sure his rich friends had opportunities to hunt. The SFW really doesn't care about the resident or nonresidents. Taking all the tags out of the system really hurts the point holders. A lot of residents hunt other western states because they don't care for the favoritism given to the SFW by the DWR. It's a sad state of affairs what goes on there!

I'm glad I finally found a job in Wyoming. Best day of my life when Utah was in my rear view mirror.
 
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llp

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Oneye is spot on. Awarding these tags (public resources) to a private organization and letting them keep the proceeds is a travesty. SFW has had its way with the Utah DWR for so long now, they were totally unprepared to compete for these tags. When the RMEF put in a bid to hold the Expo, AND return the proceeds to the state, the DWR had to do some fancy footwork to craft a new award mechanism (after the deadline) to favor SFW. Don't be misled. There is a lot of money to be made selling these tags. Under the current system, SFW gets to keep the lions share of this money, not the state. Public tags should only be sold if the funds are returned to the state.

This Expo is nothing more than a money laundering operation for the Utah politicians. Most sportsmen assume (incorrectly) that the money raised from these tags will benefit the state wildlife. A very small percentage does in fact go to wildlife projects, while the majority is kept by SFW, who uses it to lobby (buy) state politicians. It is no wonder the politicians keep giving the tags to SFW, they get a substantial kickback.
As much as I like hunting Expos, and hunting in general, supporting the Expo is just a way to keep funneling money to these crooked politicians. By the state's own accounting, if RMEF had received the bid, the Utah DWR would have seen another $5-8 Million dollars in revenue. But none of that would have found its way back to the politicians, so they shunned this windfall for the state, gave the tags back to SFW, and will now get there "share" in kickbacks. Pathetic.
Sportsmen who think they are supporting wildlife are the unwitting dupes in this scam. The sportsmen of Utah are slowly waking up to this scenario, but the corruption is deeply entrenched.
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