Utah Mule Deer

Bowhunter_60

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Having just retired, I intend to get out and enjoy the West and some great hunting. However, although I've taken a number of very good deer over the years, with some respectable wall-hangers. My plan is to hunt in as many western states as I can this year. I also understand that since I've not put in before in any of the Western states I'm essentially at the bottom of the proverbial totem pole in terms of drawings.:mad: And, I'm not really well-versed in the strategies for drawings and units.

So you have a better idea of what to prescribe for me. I plan to do:
  1. DIY - I will likely be hunting alone or possibly with one other.
  2. Limited Mobility - Given my service related injuries. I'm not able to hike for miles and miles like I used to.
  3. Drive to a base camp location and utilize an all electric ATV to get me in a little further. And help me get him out.
  4. Elk - I'm open to cow (prefer the meat anyway), but I won't pass up on a nice bull either.
  5. Mule Deer - Since I've taken several already, I'd like a nice classic typical in the 27-29" range.
  6. As I previously mentioned, this will be a rifle hunt. My shooting ability is above average, and I reload my ammunition.

I'm focusing right now on Arizona, Utah, Colorado, and Wyoming. So, with the above in mind, any thoughts on units, and the feasibility of a cow tag this year and a Mule Deer buck tag as well. If so, where do you all think I should focus my efforts?
 

Umpqua Hunter

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From your questions it sounds like you are just starting out on your research of applying for drawings. If that is the case, you would have a hard time getting up the learning curve faster than spending $100 and get a subscription to Huntin Fool. Once you are a member, you will get full access to past issues online and can begin to read up on the various states and species you are interested in. You will learn a lot of the things you need to know to bring you up the curve. The negative of this is every state you mentioned has a preference system and as you said, you are starting out at the bottom. Another negative is the units they push typically are highly desired and tough to draw even if you've been at it for a while.

In some cases the application deadlines have already passed for this year or will soon pass. Utah applications are due March 3.
 
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Bowhunter_60

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From your questions it sounds like you are just starting out on your research of applying for drawings. If that is the case, you would have a hard time getting up the learning curve faster than spending $100 and get a subscription to Hunting Fool. Once you are a member, you will get full access to past issues online and can begin to read up on the various states and species you are interested in. You will learn a lot of the things you need to know to bring you up the curve. The negative of this is every state you mentioned has a preference system and as you said, you are starting out at the bottom. Another negative is the units they push typically are highly desired and tough to draw even if you've been at it for a while.

In some cases the application deadlines have already passed for this year or will soon pass. Utah applications are due March 3.
I'll check out the 'Hunting Fool'. May well be worth the expense.
 

Umpqua Hunter

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The reason I recommend that is with a multi state/multi specie application strategy, you have ton of information you need to digest to help you get on track. With the subscription you will also have access to their consultants to run your questions by.

I misspelled in my original post. It is "Huntin Fool".
 
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Bowhunter_60

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The reason I recommend that is with a multi state/multi specie application strategy, you have ton of information you need to digest to help you get on track. With the subscription you will also have access to their consultants to run your questions by.

I misspelled in my original post. It is "Huntin Fool".
Thank you UH. I found it last night. https://www.huntinfool.com/ Joined and have begun my research. I appreciate the information.
 

ore hunter

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on Utah mule deer,you will have many years of applying before you pull a good limited tag unless your lucky.but I would recommend the utah general deer hunts.there are several you can get fairly easily,and even more easily if you go muzzleloader.ive done well in the Utah muzz deer general tag,even in poor units.you might want to check out hunters trailhead,,a good set up for multi state draw odds and info.
 

Elkhunter96

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Have you thought about saving up to purchase a land owner tag, if its in the budget? I would suggest CO as a good state to buy a deer tag. As UH mentioned, starting at the bottom with the goal to tag a trophy buck is pretty difficult when dealing with states with bonus points. Maybe some of the general units in Ut or a general unit in Wy you could hit the jackpot if a landowner tag is out of the question...
 

Zim

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BH,
Ya if you need to jump in the application game at this point, you need to set some priorities. I wouldn't even get in some of these state's schemes that are preference point dependent. I'd suggest you apply in this order: New Mexico, Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Arizona. The reason being NM & ID don't use points, and in CO & WY the first 1-3 points have good ROI. MT because it's good for a backup and they have had their point system in place not as long as others. Personally I wouldn't bother with OR, UT, NV. Just my opinion. I've been applying in all these places for 20+ years.

I know Utah is on your list, but it definitely would not be on mine if starting from the ground floor, no way. Corruption capital of the West. To say the best hunts are skimmed off the top for auction is putting it mildly. I would not want to feed such a corrupt machine. Your first 7-8 points/species minimum would be basically worthless. Nothing like CO or WY. Not good for an older guy.
 

SansSouci

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Bowhunter_60,

I have extreme empathy for you. Were I an orthopedic nightmare, it'd be a vast improvement. I'll leave it at I've had more surgeries than I'd like to disclose.

Approach your disability realistically. In western states you've identified, mule deer bucks can easily reach 250 pounds. And that's 250 pounds of dead weight. I know that I couldn't move 250 pounds of dead weight. I shot a 900+ pound 374 bull elk in '14. There was no way I was going to do a darn thing with that beast by myself. BTW, thanks again, Umpqua. Your advice was invaluable. When we meet, dinner's on me.

Without bonus points, you won't be hunting in good areas...with a few exceptions. You have to learn where to find those exceptions. You must also consider the most areas of the Rockies are not hunter friendly. The hunter friendly areas have most hunter pressure, and are almost always least productive.

I have a pretty darn good mule deer unit that I have wired after 30 years' hunting it. I'm also trying to draw a premium tag. Were I to draw into a premium mule deer area, I'd hire a guide. My advice is to consider drawing into a premium unit a once-in-a-lifetime hunt. If it's a once-in-a-lifetime hunt, my advice is to hire a professional guide. A buck in the 27" and larger range will not be easy to find. Even with the best guide available, there are no guarantees.

Considering your disability, the best advice I can give you is do a lot of research. Then hire the best possible guide. Umpqua put me on to an excellent guide who was a consummate professional and a great guy. A few days before my hunt, my orthopedic surgeon injected the heck outta me with cortisone. My guide, whom I believe was more bighorn ram than human, pushed me to the extreme edge of my pain threshold. The fact that I had to hunt at the brink of physical exhaustion and at the extreme edge of my pain threshold made that hunt the best of my life. As important, had I tried it alone, there would have been no way I'd of shot that huge beast because there would have been no way I could have moved it.

So here's my advice considering your disability and your starting sans advantage of bonus points. Pick a few states that have huge species of what you want hanging on your wall. Call fish and game agencies of those states. Ask which areas are most difficult to draw. There's a reason some units are most difficult to draw. Start accumulating bonus points for those units. The reality will almost certainly be that, considering your age, you'll probably will have to go with units that are easier to draw.

Big species get that way by being smart. Unless you draw rut hunts, you're going to have to go where they are. That means walking/hiking/stalking for miles. When you get to where a 4x4 250+ pound mature mule deer buck beds and you kill him, how the heck are you gonna field dress him and get him back to your vehicle? The reality is you ain't. Hence, the best investment you'll make is hiring a professional.

I'm closing in on 60. I know that because of my surgically repaired joints that I don't have many more rigorous seasons remaining. Now I'm looking for quality hunts. If I don't get into the premium mule deer area I want, and Umpqua knows which one it is, I'll be forced to make a reality-based decision. My bull elk guide has told me that with reasonable certainty he can put me on a very good mule deer buck. I have enough bonus points now to draw his unit. If I don't draw the premium area I really want, I might just have to go with what might just be my realistic option.

One final thought: Mother Nature is always controlling. Drawing in the best area will accord you better probability of success, but that's not guaranteed. Hunting in the best area with the best guide does not guarantee success. If Mother Nature has other plans, you might have to compromise your expectations. Guides want you to kill the biggest species possible. But if they've move out of an area, you will probably have to settle for less than the biggest.

My way of approaching hunting now is I'd rather have one great hunt a year than many that aren't productive. DIY hunts can be rewarding, but they can also be a nightmare. Keep in mind that if you kill an animal, you have legal and ethical responsibility to get it out. I know my limitations. In the area I hunt mule deer, I know that I can quarter the largest buck in it and get it out. But then again, I am extremely familiar with that unit. Even though that's true, I'm considering hiring a guide this year if I'm drawn for my general season buck area. Were I to kill a huge buck, and there are huge bucks in that area, and were I to suffer another severe orthopedic injury field dressing it and packing it out, the consequences would be harsh.

One last very important point: I used to hunt with a 7MM Rem Mag (I'm going back to my .270 Win). It will shoot a whole lot father than I'm capable. The reality is under absolutely perfect conditions (solid rifle rest, no wind, no other animals in path of bullet) 400 yards is maximum I'd shoot in the Rockies. And I'd shoot at 400 yards only if I were absolutely unable to close distance. I'd rather shoot at a 100 yards than farther. At 9000' elevation, air is thin. You might just find yourself with labored breathing making breakfast. Hence, holding a rifle still for a shot might be wishful thinking. So a good shooting stick might be a wise investment.

In case I forgot: the best advice I can give to you is hire a guide. You'll be glad you did.

Here's a thought that I've just had. I think that the best way of assessing any adventure is whether I'd do it again. I'd hunt with Black Timber Outfitters again in a New York second.

I wish you absolute success with your injuries and your hunts.


Take care,

SS
 

Theist

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Don't worry about killing a giant. If you want to hunt Utah then do general season. There are plenty units that can produce a nice buck. 27 inches are a stretch but a nice 150-160 buck is very doable. I'm glad you want to hunt. I can give you some ideas on units that I like to hunt. I m one of those that enjoys just hunting and believe all should do it and a little info never hurts to respectful people. I know some slam dunk cow hunts to. And yes you can usually get one off your wheeler. Then its a lot easier to pack out multiple trips. Pm me if you want.


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JimP

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The vast majority of Utah general units will produce some nice bucks but you are going to have to work for them. My nephew has 5 of them hanging on his wall at home and the smallest one measures out at 195 and they all came from a general unit, but.....he lives in a cabin on that unit every weekend and watches these bucks every day. He'll be on them from daylight to sundown and even then he has problems finding them when hunting season rolls around.

But for the general units you can expect 24" bucks as the rule but as I said the larger ones are out there if you are willing to work for them. Other than that you can also hunt the edges of some LE deer units or the edge of CWMU properties which are ranches that work with the DOW but are off limits unless you draw a tag for them and non residents are not eligible for the draw on them.

Now if you want to sit around for 20 odd years and hope you draw a tag for the best mule deer unit in the US then start putting in for the Henry Mountain deer hunt. It grows some monsters, I know since I hunted it quite a bit back in the 70's and early 80's before they closed it down for 5 or so years and then reopened it as a LE hunt.

If it was me and I wanted a wall hanger on a general unit I would head back to the Southwest Desert and hunt those desert bucks. There are some out there that might scare a hunter but finding them is like coming up with a royal flush in poker.