Jim -
I'm not saying it was/is right but what he did "was legal" and it was the end result of him having $money$ and the special tag. There has always been a diff between the working guy and the wealthy. IMO, it doesn't justify a new law.
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I'm not saying it was/is right but what he did "was legal" and it was the end result of him having $money$ and the special tag. There has always been a diff between the working guy and the wealthy. IMO, it doesn't justify a new law.
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This law is following right along with the trail camera law that they are working on. There is actually a Utah Wildlife Board meeting today that starts at 10 am MST on the trail camera subject.
Austad paid $170,000 for the Governors tag to hunt this year long hunt. I am sure that Doyal Moss received a very healthy sum also.
But the intent of the law is to put hunting back into the equation, and not just having someone spot the animal to have the hunter fly into the state and go shoot it. Now if Austad did fly into the state he would of had to of waited for 48 hours until he could go shoot the bull but if you have enough eyes on it that you are paying it isn't that hard.
Just as a FYI Austad did it again a few years later with a mule deer. He purchased the tag for around $400,000 to be able to hunt mule deer on Antelope Island. If you don't know about this herd it grows some of the largest mule deer in the US and there are only 2 tag let out a year. One for a resident of Utah through a draw and the other to a auction. There was a story going around about this hunt where Austad killed the buck that the resident hunter wanted and the resident hunter killed the buck that Austad wanted so they swapped heads, but that is just a story that I heard.
Austad paid $170,000 for the Governors tag to hunt this year long hunt. I am sure that Doyal Moss received a very healthy sum also.
But the intent of the law is to put hunting back into the equation, and not just having someone spot the animal to have the hunter fly into the state and go shoot it. Now if Austad did fly into the state he would of had to of waited for 48 hours until he could go shoot the bull but if you have enough eyes on it that you are paying it isn't that hard.
Just as a FYI Austad did it again a few years later with a mule deer. He purchased the tag for around $400,000 to be able to hunt mule deer on Antelope Island. If you don't know about this herd it grows some of the largest mule deer in the US and there are only 2 tag let out a year. One for a resident of Utah through a draw and the other to a auction. There was a story going around about this hunt where Austad killed the buck that the resident hunter wanted and the resident hunter killed the buck that Austad wanted so they swapped heads, but that is just a story that I heard.
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Not trying to de-rail this topic but if they truly want to put hunting back into the equation they need to ditch the scopes on the "muzzleloaders"...lol
$400,000 for a mule deer.....Yowza!
$400,000 for a mule deer.....Yowza!
The conversation whenever it goes back to "traditional" method of take is what point in time do we go to. And then the fractures based on preference show up, so on and so forth.
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Spears and Rocks traditional enough? lol
Seriously though I think we need to pump the brakes on technology a bit in the hunting industry. I for one am glad to see they are doing away with Trail cameras during hunting seasons meant for patterning animals that are highly reliant on limited water sources. Also glad to see that they are regulating the amount individuals who are allowed to be searching out game for profit. I guess the older I get the more I like fair chase. Never cared much for others doing my work for me and I really dont like to see others that have money getting an unfair advantage on public land just because they got the coin.
Leaving out a lot of the details but I think you get my point.
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that one bull sure did put a lot of money into the fish and game department. you could also argue one guy put more money into fish and game than all of us on the board will give utah in our combined lifetimes.
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He is a pretty smart guy who does not think the main stream way. Nothing wrong with that, at all.
You can do better than that!
I guess, i am not as jealous of others who have money, as some on here. I did not say i am for or against the governors tags, just that, that guy sure has given a lot of money to utah wildlife. I personally don't hunt utah, because of the amount of tags they sell, but i am not going to bad mouth someone because they are more succesful at making money than me.
imo, anyone who pays that sort of money to hunt anything is a fool. but so longs it is legal I don't much care what or how anyone does it . I also don't put a lot of stock in stories I hear. most of it is bullshit.
as for paying others to find their animal, I see it no different than hiring an outfitter . I wouldn't do it . frankly I would never have any satisfaction from killing anything if I had to have help to do it . but for those who do , kudos to ya.
and rifles. plus hunters shouldn't be allowed to wear boots /footwear the animals ain't got em. come to think of it all weapons should be outlawed. do ya'll want fair chase or don't ya?
I don't like others doing my work for me but I could care less what others do.
what's unfair ? life is unfair. I'd rather focus on myself than worry about what some rich dude does.
it is my humble opinion that we already have to many laws for every damn thing. enough already.
and that is all I got to say about this.
I appreciated the comment about that dude putting in more $$$$$$$$$$ than the rest of us in our lifetimes and he did. $570,000 into the G&F for 2 animals. I say the state got a pretty good deal. Must be nice to have that kind of cash to burn.
Anyway - He legally purchased the license/tag/permit, legally hired a guide, legally shot both elk and mule deer. If they were just "regular" animals, an average 6x6 bull and say a 180-inch mule deer, no one would care. But the rich guy bought himself some big trophies and the wanna-haves got all upset cause he paid for the tags and didn't do it they way they would. I think about Charlie from Willie Wonka's chocolate factory - everyone wanted the underdog to win while they hated the rich kids.
Boo-hoo for the guys who feel obliged to hunt a certain way and want to force others to comply with what they determine is "right" or "wrong". This is toxic thinking - it is also very common thinking. Talk about bait, running deer w dogs, long range shooting of game animals, etc. Folks to argue for both sides.
Lotsa people hire guides every year - by the definitions promoted on here, that's not fair chase. But lotsa guys do it and proudly display their trophies. So, what's ultimately wrong with that? Nothing. They did buy the trophies tho. The money buys hand holding and access to private land often enough.
Many folks would gladly have participated in both those hunts and used the help. It is basically a tradition for people on tough to draw hunts to bring in help for finding game. I also see nothing wrong with that and would gladly participate to help and/or accept the help.
SO, what's the difference? The rich guy bought his way into the record books. Let's change the laws and keep this from every happening again! Its an outrage!
Same thing for trail cams. I don't own cell cams as my hunting areas are outside cell coverage. If someone wants to use em - big deal. Doesn't affect anyone else but the "anyone else" people are complaining and whining. Wanting new laws to preserve the integrity of the sport. Insert eye roll here - they only want to restrict others from shooting stuff, it isn't about the sport, never was.
Anyway - He legally purchased the license/tag/permit, legally hired a guide, legally shot both elk and mule deer. If they were just "regular" animals, an average 6x6 bull and say a 180-inch mule deer, no one would care. But the rich guy bought himself some big trophies and the wanna-haves got all upset cause he paid for the tags and didn't do it they way they would. I think about Charlie from Willie Wonka's chocolate factory - everyone wanted the underdog to win while they hated the rich kids.
Boo-hoo for the guys who feel obliged to hunt a certain way and want to force others to comply with what they determine is "right" or "wrong". This is toxic thinking - it is also very common thinking. Talk about bait, running deer w dogs, long range shooting of game animals, etc. Folks to argue for both sides.
Lotsa people hire guides every year - by the definitions promoted on here, that's not fair chase. But lotsa guys do it and proudly display their trophies. So, what's ultimately wrong with that? Nothing. They did buy the trophies tho. The money buys hand holding and access to private land often enough.
Many folks would gladly have participated in both those hunts and used the help. It is basically a tradition for people on tough to draw hunts to bring in help for finding game. I also see nothing wrong with that and would gladly participate to help and/or accept the help.
SO, what's the difference? The rich guy bought his way into the record books. Let's change the laws and keep this from every happening again! Its an outrage!
Same thing for trail cams. I don't own cell cams as my hunting areas are outside cell coverage. If someone wants to use em - big deal. Doesn't affect anyone else but the "anyone else" people are complaining and whining. Wanting new laws to preserve the integrity of the sport. Insert eye roll here - they only want to restrict others from shooting stuff, it isn't about the sport, never was.
it is the same type thinking as the guy who says ,"no one needs a semi auto to hunt deer."
we are not and never have been a nation that based our thinking on what we need . it is what we want that matters! so long as it is us and not the other guy.