Utah Bill To Limit Compensation Locating Animals

[Maxhunter]

Didn’t see this posted. I’m wondering if other states will follow suit.

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There is a bill in Utah that cleared the House and Senate unanimously that will limit the number of

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[buckbull]

Interesting. How will Denny Austad and Jimmy John kill elk now?

 

[kidoggy]

limit, not ban.
I doubt much will change as folks will most certainly ignore the law and it won't be enforced anyhow for the most part.

but feel-good do-nothing laws make folks feel warm and fuzzy inside

I don't fault those who can't for paying for it. just not for me.

in my mind if you can't find em yourself it ain't worth doing.
but to each their own.

 

[mallardsx2]

Nothing like drawing the tag of a lifetime where there are only 5 tags in an entire unit only to have "bird watchers" on every hilltop with a swarovski spotting scope attached to each truck window.

"You guy hunting?"

"No, we are looking for endangered white tipped ospreys this morning...."

"Oh cool, I'm looking for elk so let me know if you see any. Thanks" as I pull my truck in next to them...

 

[manitou1]

Love it!

 

[Rich M]

Someone can pay a guide but can't pay the guide to scout for them? Or is it to ban both guides and finding services?

What amazes me is that it makes it to the legislation in a lot of states. Puts the NR hunter at a major disadvantage.

Lots of covetous hunters out there. You can hear it from here: Waaah!

 

[JimP]

What they are trying to get away from in my understanding is paying folks finder fees when they spot a large animal and then call the guide. The spider bull was killed this way, there was a bounty out on him for whoever spotted him first and told the guide where he was hanging out at.

 

[dan maule]

I think it would be very hard to enforce.

 

[JimP]

No harder than any of the other laws on the books.

They would depend on people reporting it, and when big bucks $$$$ are involved someone would be mad if someone else got it before they did and odds are they may report it.

 

[CrimsonArrow]

In a perfect world, if this could be enforced, it would certainly level the playing field

 

[kidoggy]

In a perfect world, if this could be enforced, it would certainly level the playing field

it would but it is not a perfect world and in most cases, it will not be enforced . in some few it might be but more often than not it will not. same way all feel good do nothing laws are.

 

[GOSHENGRUNTER]

hooray for more government regulation! **sarcasm**

 

[GOSHENGRUNTER]

Interesting. How will Denny Austad and Jimmy John kill elk now?

Probably with landowner tags or by hunting another state and taking their massive donations elsewhere. Be nice to see Utah FW squirm when they balance the budget in a few years!

 

[tim]

hopefully the rules apply to the "diy" group of hunters with a dozen guys out looking for the shooter. I don't see any difference.

 

[kidoggy]

In a perfect world, if this could be enforced, it would certainly level the playing field

that is what this nation is all about these days. leveling the playing field

seems everyone is jealous of he who has more.
wonder how long it will be before every hunter is given a trophy just for participating?

 

[ScottR]

The crux of the issue in Utah with all of these new laws and initiatives coming out it seems that lawmakers/commissioners have enough constituents who are concerned about the overall populations and sustainability of the resource. They have made enough noise to influence change, we will see if it sticks long term.

 

[CrimsonArrow]

that is what this nation is all about these days. leveling the playing field

seems everyone is jealous of he who has more.
wonder how long it will be before every hunter is given a trophy just for participating?

I’m not quite sure where you’re going with this. Maybe you’d like to see the North American model of wildlife management changed to the European model, where all hunting is done on privately managed estates, by only the wealthiest. Hunting shouldn’t be just for the rich. These kind of regulations, while difficult to enforce, would benefit the average hunters in the long run. I’m not the jealous type, but I also don’t believe that having a team of guides with a dozen spotters falls under the definition of fair chase.

 

[kidoggy]

I’m not quite sure where you’re going with this. Maybe you’d like to see the North American model of wildlife management changed to the European model, where all hunting is done on privately managed estates, by only the wealthiest. Hunting shouldn’t be just for the rich. These kind of regulations, while difficult to enforce, would benefit the average hunters in the long run. I’m not the jealous type, but I also don’t believe that having a team of guides with a dozen spotters falls under the definition of fair chase.

just realistic . that is where we are going to end up regardless what we do. it is inevitable.

but this has nothing to do with fair chase . this is about control.
my objection is to mans willingness to ban anything he himself has no interest in doing.

and I am never for giving government more power . if all wild game disappears because of it ,so be it.

makes no difference to me if we have wild game or not if we are restricted from hunting them and this is exactly where these type laws will eventually lead.
they always do .

when it comes to these type of restrictions what starts out good ALWAYS morphs into a nightmare.

 

[Rich M]

that is what this nation is all about these days. leveling the playing field

seems everyone is jealous of he who has more.
wonder how long it will be before every hunter is given a trophy just for participating?

This is exactly it. Everyone wants a personal advantage while taking the other guy's advantage away. And now they want to enact these socialism-related laws.

Hunting shouldn’t be just for the rich. These kind of regulations, while difficult to enforce, would benefit the average hunters in the long run. I’m not the jealous type, but I also don’t believe that having a team of guides with a dozen spotters falls under the definition of fair chase.

What about the guys who draw special tags, then all their buddies and relatives come out to help them find the best buck or bull. It is no different than the spider bull thing. The diff is that folks got jealous.

Lots of petty stuff going on these days - folks trying to eliminate the point systems, states going 90/10 R/NR, corner crossing court cases, etc.

 

[JimP]

There is a lot of difference between the spider bull thing and a family and friend helping out a hunter.

The spider bull had a bounty placed on him, the first that found him and reported back to the outfitter and kept a eye on him got a tidy sum. Where mostly friends and family are just out to help the hunter.

That along with the fact that the tag that Austad had a 365 day license to hunt with any weapon that he wanted to use. He used a high powered rifle during the muzzle loader hunt which was legal according to the conditions of his tag.