Welcome! You have obviously not done much research on the G&F website because all you need to do is look in the Draw Odds Section to answer your question. I just did that for you and found the following information. Both units have archery only tags (referred to as A/O) along with the regular Type 1 either sex tags and the latter are good only for the October rifle season. The Regular Draw for 39-9 (A/O) took 7PPs, and 40-9 (A/O) took 6PPs. I didn't look up the odds for the higher priced Special Draw, but it will take less PPs to draw in that one. However, it is also costs a lot more money to apply for that draw. That is the only way you'll stand a decent chance using PPs to hunt either of those units in the near future. There is always the chance to draw a tag in the Random Draw that everyone who doesn't draw in the initial draw goes into for a second chance and it doesn't use PPs, so everyone has a chance at those few tags.