Transfer of Public Lands

Colorado Cowboy

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Hpd,

Even worse, Ken Ivory of the ALC has lined his pockets with local taxpayers' money by County Commissioners "investing" in the ALC. Something like 40% of the ALC money goes to his salary and some goes to his wife as well.

I think Colorado Cowboys' county commission is one of those that fell for the ruse.

http://campaignforaccountability.org/ken-ivory-complaint-utah/

That is some stinky stuff there.
Yes they did and are not backing down a bit even tho our local paper wrote an editorial condemning joining. Most all of these politicians think they know it all and we didn't have a clue. We'll see the next time one comes up for re-election!
 

highplainsdrifter

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Here is an update on the federal land study the Wyoming Legislature has authorized:

*Proposals were due June 4, 2015.

*Only one proposal was received.

*Apparently the State intends to award the contract to only company that submitted a proposal. That company is Y2 Consultants out of Jackson, Wyoming http://www.y2consultants.com/

The Request for Proposals (RFP) contained the following description of the study:


DESCRIPTION OF WORK

A. General Information
Pursuant to 2015 Session Laws, Ch. 192, §1, Office of State Lands and Investments (OSLI) is seeking proposals from research and/or consulting firms to provide a study and report to consider the State of Wyoming managing federally administered public lands within the State of Wyoming.

B. Services Required
The Successful Proposer will be required to provide a high level of quality services which are normally associated with handling a project of this scope and size.

It is the expectation of OSLI that the Successful Proposer will perform a study and report that includes, at a minimum, an analysis of the topics listed below. The study and report shall include a proposed plan for the administration, management, and use of the federal public lands in the State of Wyoming under the principle of multiple use and sustained yield including, but not limited to, the continuation of all existing public access to the lands for hunting, fishing and recreation subject to closure for special circumstances including public safety and environmental sensitivity.

OSLI is required to provide periodic project updates to the Select Federal Natural Resource Management Committee, and must submit the final report to the Select Federal Natural Resource Management Committee no later than November 30, 2016. Therefore, the Successful Proposer will be required to submit to OSLI periodic project updates (dates to be determined by the Successful Proposer and OSLI ) and the final report 90 days prior to November 30, 2016.

At a minimum, the study and final report shall include and provide the following:

1. An identification of federally administered public lands within the State and the interests, rights and uses associated with those lands (hereinafter referred to as “The Lands”). The study shall exclude current congressionally designated wilderness areas; national conservation areas; and lands currently administered by the Department of Energy, Department of Defense; the Department of Interior’s Bureau of Indian Affairs, United States Fish and Wildlife Service; and National Park Service.

2. An economic analysis concerning the management of The Lands including

i) The identification of all costs directly incident to the management of The Lands.

ii) A comparison of the likely costs for the State of Wyoming to manage The Lands and the costs incurred by the federal government to manage The Lands. In determining likely costs, the comparison shall consider differing land management objectives and practices.

iii) The identification of sources of revenue to pay for the administration and maintenance of The Lands by the State of Wyoming, including appropriate fees to charge the federal government for the management of The Lands.

iv) A determination of the amount of any revenue that is currently received by the State of Wyoming or political subdivision thereof in connection with The Lands, including but not limited to, any payments made in lieu of taxes and mineral royalties and leases.

v) The identification of any potential revenue which may be received from The Lands by the State of Wyoming after the management of The Lands by the State of Wyoming and recommendations for the distribution of those revenues.

vi) Consideration of other relevant federal actions or policies determined to impact revenues to the State of Wyoming due to federally managed lands.

3. Identification of traditional cooperative and cost-sharing opportunities and programs associated with The Lands and state land management agencies.

To the extent possible, the study shall include any other relevant factors the Successful Proposer concludes would be helpful in identifying the policy considerations surrounding the State of Wyoming managing The Lands.

COMMUNICATION WITH OSLI

There will be constant (possibly daily) contact between OSLI and the Successful Proposer throughout the entire process of the study and preparation of the report. While most of the contact will be by phone and email, it is expected that the Successful Proposer’s project lead will meet with OSLI’s project lead and/or staff as necessary. Travel by the Successful Proposer for these meetings as necessary will not be billable travel expenses. The Successful Proposer will also be required, at the expense of the Successful Proposer, to send a representative to a minimum of one Select Federal Natural Resource Management Committee meeting at a location within the State of Wyoming to be determined and date to be announced.


The contact person at the Office of State Lands and Investments is Susan Child, phone (307) 777-3428.
 

shootbrownelk

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I sure don't like the sound of that. The second paragraph of section B. Access to public lands subject to closure for special circumstances, public safety or environmental sensitivity. Determined by who? The same ones who don't allow camping or campfires?
Trick wording probably provided by Eli Bebout.
 

highplainsdrifter

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highplainsdrifter

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Representative Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming has joined the Rand Paul for President campaign. I personally heard Rand Paul state on Fox News that he believes "federal lands should be privatized or at least turned over to the states". Further correspondence with him via email confirmed this position. Representative Lummis' endorsement of Rand Paul is a slap in the face of every sportsman in Wyoming. I have already written to her asking her to resign from his campaign. I encourage you to do the same. You can contact her at: http://lummis.house.gov/contact/

Rand Paul for President today announces U.S. Congressman Cynthia Lummis (R-WY) as one of its Western States Co-Chairman. Congressman Lummis joins Western State Co-Chair Congressman Raúl Labrador in this role. With this announcement, the Congressman will join a growing list of congressional representatives in support of Senator Rand Paul for President of the United States in 2016.

"Hardworking Americans are ready for a leader who will put the Federal Government in its place. As president, Rand Paul will transform our government so that it works for us. Instead of intruding on the lives of Americans, he will rein in our out-of-control bureaucrats so that everyday Americans prosper, not the Washington Machine," Congressman Lummis said. "Rand Paul will do what he says-- that I know with certainty. He believes in the right of states like Wyoming to manage their resources without Washington obstruction. Our next president must be transformative, and Rand Paul's candidacy renews for me the firm belief that America's best days are ahead."
 

Colorado Cowboy

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This movement has really gained some momentum recently. I believe that we really need to find out our local representatives to Congress views and in the next election vote accordingly. Unfortunately in my neck of the woods our reps pretty much are anti federal government, especially when it comes to the USFS & BLM. They would vote in a minute to get them out of here. It will be an uphill battle.
 

highplainsdrifter

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This movement has really gained some momentum recently. I believe that we really need to find out our local representatives to Congress views and in the next election vote accordingly. Unfortunately in my neck of the woods our reps pretty much are anti federal government, especially when it comes to the USFS & BLM. They would vote in a minute to get them out of here. It will be an uphill battle.
I agree, we are losing the battle. That really scares me.
 

tim

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with how high the fire fighting bill is this year. I am glad the feds get to help pay and not the state of Idaho absorbing the cost. The Coeur d alene airport has already dropped 860,000 gallons of retardant and there are 50 fires burning in just the panhandle of Idaho.
 

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Sorry if I piss people off when I say this but let it BURN! If you want to reduce the wasting of our tax dollars fighting wild fires in wild places, let it burn now to reduce the fuel load. We need aggressive, sound timber management (logging) but since we can't have it because of a couple owls and a tweety bird, let nature do what it does to manage timber. It is devastating in the short term but healthy in the long run. I'm not saying to let homes burn, that's where the fire retardant should be used. Rant over.
 

Ikeepitcold

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I don't think your outta line at all. It's Mother Nature it's what is supposed to happen and I agree. Save the homes and let the fires burn. In a few years the mountains will be better then it was anyway.
 

ivorytip

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couldn't have said it better Alabama. sure it brings jobs and those that have those jobs are thankful for those jobs, however......... let it burn! the amounts of money dropped on these fires is so outrageous and god himself knows its money we don't have and haven't have for a very very long time. and yes protect the homes but at same time.... don't build a home where it will be in the middle of a forest fire and then cry when its burned down... kinda harsh I know, but its all in the logic. I would like to see my tax dollars go towards something this country needs for a change!
 

badgerbob

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Why can't we go back to logging. Let our timber land experts do their job. Wildlife benefit from logging. Use money generated to do prescribed burns in wet season. Wildlife benefit from burns. Both designed to reduce fire hazards. Have it stipulated that the money ONLY goes toward improving the land, fire prevention being part of that. We keep the way we are going and the whole West is going up in flames one day.
 

highplainsdrifter

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Now we know Senator Cruz is in favor of transferring federal land. During a speech in Jackson, Wyoming, Cruz said: “There’s no reason for the federal government to own the vast majority of land in states in the West”.

He went even further and implied that federal land should be sold so that western states would be like New York, Florida and Texas.

I suspected he was in favor of transfer or sale, but this is the first time I have heard him say it. Needless to say, Senator Cruz just lost my vote. I am still having a hard time believing these candidates think this is a popular political position.

http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/news/election/cruz-visits-jackson-knocks-fed-land-ownership/article_bf68eb4f-a1be-5e86-abf4-1d130d22011d.html
 

shootbrownelk

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Why can't we go back to logging. Let our timber land experts do their job. Wildlife benefit from logging. Use money generated to do prescribed burns in wet season. Wildlife benefit from burns. Both designed to reduce fire hazards. Have it stipulated that the money ONLY goes toward improving the land, fire prevention being part of that. We keep the way we are going and the whole West is going up in flames one day.
Our NF "timber experts" lose money on timber sales, and I mean millions & millions of dollars. Harvest timber yes, especially all the beetle killed timber. But charge enough to make make a profit. Wood isn't getting any cheaper at the Home Depot from what I've seen.
BLM loses untold millions every year by giving away grazing to ranchers for ridiculously low prices. Our government at work!
 

highplainsdrifter

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Jeb Bush has developed a Western Land and Resource Management policy statement:

https://jeb2016.com/western-land-resource-management/

He does not come right out and say he is in favor of transfer (as some of the other candidates have said). He says he is in favor of more local input and moving the Department of Interior out of Washington DC...which could be a good thing.

I am somewhat encouraged but also skeptical. What do you think?
 

shootbrownelk

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Jeb Bush has developed a Western Land and Resource Management policy statement:

https://jeb2016.com/western-land-resource-management/

He does not come right out and say he is in favor of transfer (as some of the other candidates have said). He says he is in favor of more local input and moving the Department of Interior out of Washington DC...which could be a good thing.

I am somewhat encouraged but also skeptical. What do you think?
Color me skeptical of anything uttered by the "Shrub". He doesn't say outright that he's for selling it, But I think that's the plan he talks about. Someone from the RMEF or NRA should pose that question to him and see where he stands.