Transfer of Public Lands

[buckbull]

Why would the Dems be opposed to the sales of federal lands when it's my understanding that 95% of the proceeds would be returned to the federal gov't. That's more money for them to spend on welfare.

That's an easy one. Dem's are all about federal control. Giving away something the Feds own is counter productive to their mandate. In this case, it works well for sportsmen.

 

[WY ME]

I personally intend to reregister as an independent after this years elections are over, just to let the party I know am registered with how dissatisfied I am. I'll probably have to redo it again in a couple of years, especially if I want a voice in local affairs.

Just last night I told my wife that if GOP has a brokered convention and votes for a nominee that is anyone but the front runner (whoever that may be) I will break off from the GOP and register as an independent like I used to be when I was young or maybe I'll join the Bull Moose party.

 

[WY ME]

That's an easy one. Dem's are all about federal control. Giving away something the Feds own is counter productive to their mandate. In this case, it works well for sportsmen.

I said that tongue in cheek. You're right but let me modify one sentence of yours, it should read Dem's are all about control...Period.

 

[Bitterroot Bulls]

I don't know. I can think of members of both parties in MT that have been pretty supportive of sportsmen AND gun owners.

I have said it often in this thread and others.

I can not support the bipartisan "pick a team" approach. There are candidates out there that will, and do, support sportsmen.

 

[buckbull]

I said that tongue in cheek. You're right but let me modify one sentence of yours, it should read Dem's are all about control...Period.

LOL. I guess so.

 

[WY ME]

I was raised by Democrat parents but registered as an independent when I turned 18 because I was not a "team player". As I grew older I then became a registered Republican because of life experiences and what I saw going on in the Democrat Party. I have on occasion voted for state officials including Governor Freudanthal who were democrats but after 7 years of Obama and Harry Reid I'm done voting that way and I am convinced they are a party of hate. They hate anyone who disagrees with them. I won't necessarily cast a vote for every republican but I will not vote for a democrat.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

I'll join the Bull Moose party.

Where do I sign up?

 

[buckbull]

So Cruz, arguably the most outspoken republican candidate favoring the transfer of public, pulled 45% of the GOP primary vote in Idaho. Do you think this is an indicator of just apathy to the keeping public lands public movement or is there a mountain of support in Idaho for the Feds to transfer public lands to the state of Idaho to sell?

 

[highplainsdrifter]

So Cruz, arguably the most outspoken republican candidate favoring the transfer of public, pulled 45% of the GOP primary vote in Idaho. Do you think this is an indicator of just apathy to the keeping public lands public movement or is there a mountain of support in Idaho for the Feds to transfer public lands to the state of Idaho to sell?

I am still trying to figure it out, but it is very disappointing. What are the people of Idaho thinking?

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

I am still trying to figure it out, but it is very disappointing. What are the people of Idaho thinking?

Maybe it's just not common knowledge about his position on public lands. I didn't know about it until I read about it here. I've watched a lot of the debates and I don't recall this subject ever being discussed.

 

[shootbrownelk]

I don't know. I can think of members of both parties in MT that have been pretty supportive of sportsmen AND gun owners.

I have said it often in this thread and others.

I can not support the bipartisan "pick a team" approach. There are candidates out there that will, and do, support sportsmen.

I've said it before and I'll say it again....The Democrats want your GUNS and the Republicans want the PUBLIC LAND you use the guns on. Pretty broad brush I'm using, but that's the gist of it IMO anyway.

 

[highplainsdrifter]

Maybe it's just not common knowledge about his position on public lands. I didn't know about it until I read about it here. I've watched a lot of the debates and I don't recall this subject ever being discussed.

I agree. I have watched most debates too, and this issue has not been discussed. That is very frustrating because the transfer issue is so important to so many people. I guess the debate moderators, who come up with the questions, are out of touch with western land management issues. If someone can think of a way to get the moderators to ask the question, I think we can win on the issue because most people do not want to lose their federal lands.

 

[bdan68]

I think Cruz won Idaho because they were voting anti-establishment, and didn't vote Trump because he's not conservative enough. Most Idahoans probably didn't even know about the public land issue.

 

[ivorytip]

I think Cruz won Idaho because they were voting anti-establishment, and didn't vote Trump because he's not conservative enough. Most Idahoans probably didn't even know about the public land issue.

i knew Idaho was only state he won I think. what's sad is the primary election is our only chance of having a say on who gets in. the actual prez election is just a waist of time to even go to voting booth. popular vote will never win that election. but the primary we get a say. the sad part is nobody even knows about the primary elections!!! so many people at work were so surprised when I asked if they were going to vote on tue, they looked at me and said that's not till November!!!!!! I guess in a way it keeps the people away that have no idea what's going on.

 

[ivorytip]

I'm sure a majority of voters that voted for trump cruz or whoever have no clue about fed land issues. that goes for every state. its not common knowledge unless you go looking for it and frankly, people don't go looking, they watch news and debates and that's all they know. plus, us Idahoans know that cruz doesn't have the balls to make a move like that here

 

[highplainsdrifter]

Apparently a lot of people in Idaho are against transfer. I wonder where they were Tuesday night? Read this:

http://www.postregister.com/articles/opinions/2016/02/26/house-editorial-simpson-schools-us-reps-public-lands#

 

[ivorytip]

Boise makes up pretty much most of Idaho votes, ether voting demo or cruz. south east Idaho loves cruz and trump alike. even Rubio. im telling ya, people just don't show up to vote. sad but true

 

[highplainsdrifter]

I was mortified to see the results of yesterday's Wyoming GOP caucus...mortified but not surprised. They voted 66% for Ted Cruz. The GOP is completely out of touch with the residents of Wyoming. They voted for Cruz even though a recent survey from Colorado College indicates that 54 percent of Wyomingites want federal lands to stay in federal hands. An even greater percentage want public lands to stay public (not privatized). Cruz wants federal lands transferred to the states or better yet (according to him) privatized.

This is what can happen when you have a process that "selects" candidates rather than lets the public "elect" candidates. Less than 1000 caucus attendees "selected" Cruz without considering the opinion of the rest of the Republicans in the state. The "selection" system is an inside process that favors the views of the GOP establishment. It is disadvantageous to the average person who is not willing to attend a lengthy caucus event and slug it out to have their opinion heard.

The "selection" system needs to be replaced with an "election" system before it completely alienates the average Republican in the state. We badly need a statewide primary that is not controlled by the GOP establishment. This primary needs to be held early enough in the season to assure there are still choices on the ballet (relatively few presidential candidates have dropped out). I am offended that a small handful of caucus goers claim to speak for me. They do not! If you are as unhappy as I am with the current system, please send an email to the party chairman Matt Micheli at: http://wyoming.gop/contact-us/

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

Colorado has a caucus system also in selecting candidates in presidential elections. The Republican Party here is so afraid of hearing what the voters have to say that our caucus meeting (at least most of them) did not even take a straw vote on who we were in favor of for a Presidential candidate for the Republican Party. We voted for delegates to the state convention where they will select who they back, regardless of choice of state Republicans! It is absolutely unbelievable, they think we are sheep and cannot be trusted to express our choices!

We definitely need to get to the primary vote system, which we used to have.

 

[Gr8bawana]

I my state of NV the primary elections were replaced by the caucus system by the Republican Governors. The state has to pay for a primary election. A caucus is paid for by government money.
I much prefer a primary election, it gives many more people a chance to participate.