BOHNTR
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There's a big difference folks from being arrested for a felony charge and being convicted of a felony.
Should felons be able to bowhunt Utah?
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Bitterroot Bulls
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BOHNTR,
I think this dead horse has been kicked to dust.
Everybody has their sob story. Although the "jealous dirty cop framed me and I was unjustly convicted of a felony" story is a good one (although apparently the jury didn't buy it), the fact remains: The people of Utah decided they didn't want felons bow hunting there. They can change that law through their representatives, if they so choose.
I think this dead horse has been kicked to dust.
Everybody has their sob story. Although the "jealous dirty cop framed me and I was unjustly convicted of a felony" story is a good one (although apparently the jury didn't buy it), the fact remains: The people of Utah decided they didn't want felons bow hunting there. They can change that law through their representatives, if they so choose.
packer58
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sjsmallfield
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trkytrack2
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Maybe I'm confused but doesn't federal law forbid convicted felons from possessing any type of weapon, including archery equipment?
Jon Boy
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I would guess primarily this difference is due to size of wallet
It's like a DUI, if you don't blow, have $5k for a lawyer, you don't get convicted of a DUI. Case Closed.
Imagine if felons couldn't own golf clubs, baseball bat, steak knives, haha.
I remember some quote I once read... "Man kills wife with steak knife, can no longer own rifle, can still own steak knife" go figure, I guess this is what happens when politicians make laws.
trkytrack2
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That's called punishing the object instead of punishing the criminal for the crime.....which is often the case.
Kevin Root
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Colorado Cowboy
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It doesn"t seem to me that we really talkiing about punishment, but what happens AFTER the CONVICTED FELON gets out of prison and what should be the further consequences! IMHO a felony is a felony. Many, many of these are pleaded down to misdemeanors. If someone has been convicted of a felony....sorry, no weapons, no voting again and no civil rights. I know the argument about being very young when it happened and they have turned their life around, but that doesn't really wash for me. There are lots of cases when this happens that in later years, the person petitions and get their felony reduced, probably deserved too. It's really not too hard to be a good citizen and contribute to society!!!
Shaun
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CC you hit that on the head!!!!! As far as I am concerned a felon is just that. Havent read back but the pole states if it was non violent or wepon related sex crimes are neither and as far as I am concerned that is much worse
I recently heard it was a "sex crime" in some state for urinating in public, and landed you on the sex offender list, not sure if it constituted a felony however, it was in some college town in the midwest I believe but not certain.
teenagers "sexting" one another has been in the headlines recently, ie distribution of child pornography. ie teenagers sending pics of themselves to each other, boyfs/girlfs,
I kinda doubt 16yr olds knew this was a felony prior to doing so. So not every "felon" chooses the action knowing the consequences ahead of time.
teenagers "sexting" one another has been in the headlines recently, ie distribution of child pornography. ie teenagers sending pics of themselves to each other, boyfs/girlfs,
I kinda doubt 16yr olds knew this was a felony prior to doing so. So not every "felon" chooses the action knowing the consequences ahead of time.
dito
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Hodgeymoto707
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Everyone who has been saying people with a felony shouldn't be able to bow hunt or own a gun and should have more rights taken away from them make me sick! This shouldn't be a black and white issue like the government has made it. I grew up hunting with my dad and grandpa and have already started with my seven year old son, so the hunting lifestyle runs in my blood. I started out as a youngster going to junior pheasant hunts was a boy scout and was really involved in FFA. Never have I been in trouble with the law. After high school I joined the iron workers union. A couple years later got married and had a son. 4 years later I got injured on the job. Had 3 surgeries on my back and was on all kinds of medication. One day I left my medication at home and was in pain so my dad have me some of his that he takes for his back and for his bum knee. He gave me approximately 10 pills but only took two and wrapped the rest in plastic and put it in my wallet in between my drivers license and the clear plastic that holds the license in place. Basically what happened I got pulled over for rolling a stop sighn. Went to give the police officer my I.D. And of course he saw the pills my dad had given me long story short after telling him the truth of what had happened I still went to jail. I was released within 2 or 3 days and had a court date. Now because a father was trying to help his son that was In pain and under the care of a doctor that was prescribing me medication twice as strong as what I had I now am a felon and am not legally allowed to own a gun which I think is BS. Maybe if I hurt someone or stole or robbed or raped someone take that right away for all means but for someone who has never been in trouble their whole life contributes to his town(sons baseball teams coach) and is now not allowed to vote, hunt, or keep a weapon to protect his family. I'm sorry but that is complete BS! That's why our forfathers made sure to document the right to bear arms. I think the government is trying to rid everyone of their guns for the new world order but that is a completely different forum. I continue to hunt and bear arms and if want my gun you will have to rip it from my cold dead hands, and good luck if you can't tell that's an AR-10 in my profile pic and the rifle behind me is my sons AR-15. What sickens me the most is some of you are comparing me to the scum of the earth! Rapists, thieves, and murderers. Ignorant pricks!
Murdy
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Well, some of the most spiritual moments in my life have come while hunting. Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing (for the criminal and for the rest of us) to allow someone who did something wrong to maintain that relationship with nature that we all value. I beleive it helps me be a better person. It's not just about punishment.
Backcountry Stalker
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I know this is an old thread. But, I really wanted to comment on it. I wanna first make the statement, "the only difference between most of you and a felon is that you didn't get caught and they did." Yes, there are some of us who are angels and never did a single wrong in our lives which gives us the right to judge a persons intent now that they have "paid their debt to society (said in jest of course)." To be honest, if some of the views in this thread were to be established...then my question would be, what's the point of the justice system? What's the point of sending them to a "correctional" institution? What's the point of "Rehabilitation?" Because we as tax payers pay for "ALL" of these concepts and preceptions. I have 2 family members that were certified as adults (meaning they were under the age of 18 when they did their wrong and the court system decided the offense was big enough to try them as an adult would be tried...i.e. when convicted admitted into prison not a juvenile facility. One went...one received ADULT probation.) Now, tell me...which one of us didn't do something at 16 that was crazy? And, some of you would have me believe that the actions WE ALL have done at 16 should determine, for the most part, what the future of our lives are like?! By the way, here in Nevada if you happen to reach the age of 18 in high school and have sex with ANYBODY that is under age (meaning in high school with you) is a felony sex crime...which will get you certified as an adult and prosecuted as such if the authorities catch wind of it and your "financial/ethnic" status is appealing for them to further their prosecuting career (just calling a spade a spade). This I've witnessed while in high school several times and if you remember there was a kid that made national headlines for the same offense about a year ago on the east coast. Should these also receive the captial punishment (screwed life) that some would suggest? If something like this happened to a loved one of yours...or yourself would you still have the firm stance and opinion that some of you have now? Just a question.
I truly believe that the only way to correct a wrong action is by making a right action. If someone committed a crime and has since the time of his/her offense shown the ablity to act as a responsible citizen then his/her "current" actions should be taken into consideration. Just as it seems their past actions are ALWAYS taken into consideration. If you don't believe in this concept...then it makes no sense to apologize for offending someone because the offense has already been made. And, according to some of the beliefs here. Once the offense has been made...well hang'em for good. I'm not calling anyone out in particular. I'm calling out the "holier than thou" mind state that a lot of us have.
I truly believe that the only way to correct a wrong action is by making a right action. If someone committed a crime and has since the time of his/her offense shown the ablity to act as a responsible citizen then his/her "current" actions should be taken into consideration. Just as it seems their past actions are ALWAYS taken into consideration. If you don't believe in this concept...then it makes no sense to apologize for offending someone because the offense has already been made. And, according to some of the beliefs here. Once the offense has been made...well hang'em for good. I'm not calling anyone out in particular. I'm calling out the "holier than thou" mind state that a lot of us have.
hoshour
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I'm with Backcountry on this one. I believe in second chances, especially when a lot of time has gone by without further incident.
I sure hope I have a lot more sense now than when I was a teenager. Marriage and family do a lot to instill common sense and moderation in a man. I would rather trust someone who screwed up 20 years ago and has been clean since than a teenager hooked on violent video games or thinks it takes alcohol to be a man.
I sure hope I have a lot more sense now than when I was a teenager. Marriage and family do a lot to instill common sense and moderation in a man. I would rather trust someone who screwed up 20 years ago and has been clean since than a teenager hooked on violent video games or thinks it takes alcohol to be a man.
Colorado Cowboy
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Backcountry, look at my previous post and read it carefully. There is a way for some convicted felons (misdemeanors too) to get their record cleared up some. I have a friend who as a young adult did a pretty bad thing, beat up someone pretty bad. After 25 years of an exemplory life, contacted an attorney and to make a long story short, went to court and got the record changed to a lessor charge (not a felony). Cost lots of money and had to make amends with the person who he beat up (and they had to agree with the courts action). But I still believe that convicted FELONS should have their civil rights limited because of THEIR actions. No one held a gun to their head and forced them into the crime they committed.