Sell Me On A New Rifle/Caliber

badgerbob

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I'm an older guy (75) and have been hunting since I was 7 or 8 years old. I started reloading when I was 15 or so, with my Dad's help. I have built custom rifles and shot a lot of factory stuff too, everything from .22 centerfires to .375s. I now have 2 basic hunting rifles, one for elk and larger and one for deer and smaller. My elk rifle is a custom commercial Mauser in .300 Wby and my deer/antelope rifle in an older Ruger M77 in 25-06. Like I said earlier, I reload, so I can customize what I am shooting for optimum efficiency. Like extreme said, optics are critical also. I use only Leupold and have for years. Great value for the $$$. I also have rifles in .220 AI Swift, .22 Hornet, .243, 30-06 and 45-70.

I have shot over 100 deer & antelope with my .25-06 and have settled on one load for both animals. I shoot .117 spbt Sierra bullet and 4831 sc powder. My pet load has a mv of 3125 fps and does great out to 500 yds, the longest range I have targeted it. I also have a custom Leupold ballistic turret for my load for the VXIII 4.5 x 14 x40 Leupold on the Ruger.

I have taken elk, deer & moose with my custom .300 Wby. My reloads use 180 gr Nosler partitions with RE 25 powder and has a MV of 3200 fps. I also have a ballistic turret on the VXIII 4.5 x 14 x 40 Leupold on it.

These 2 rifles/calibers will do everything I need for any game we have here in North American. The only exception for me would be brown or grizzly bears. I would use my .375 for them.

I really think that not reloading and depending on factory ammunition is only half the fun. I liken it to have having a high performance race car and going to a local garage to have it tuned every time you want to try something different. It's really not that difficult and not really that expensive to get started, especially when you can easily spend 2000.00 for a good rifle, optics and extras. I also try to shoot every week at my local range, weather permitting. That's the fun part and the range time makes me a better shooter for sure.

Have FUN..............
Colorado, I'm right there with you. Though a bit younger (I'm only 66). I too hunt with 2 rifles. A Ruger mod 77 in 300win mag and a Rem. 700 in 25-06. Go to guns for everything I'm interested in. I have a similar load for my 25-06 using Hornady 117. and load 180 accubonds for the 300. You have good taste in caliber choice, in my opinion. How is the shoulder? BB
 

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I hunt with several rifles but the most accurate one is my 7mm mag win model 70. Its topped with redfield 4-12 and if drives tacks. Best all around big game caliber in my opinion.
 

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BB...shoulder is doing great. Don't want to hijack the thread, but a little more. 10 weeks out from surgery, pt is done. Complete range of motion, no pain. just working on regaining strength. I am having the other one done in 2 1/2 weeks. Thanks for asking...
 

mallardsx2

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I would have the barrel magna ported or a muzzle brake put on it and hunt with it.
 

50bowhunter

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Everyone wants a do-all rifle when they buy their first one, just like your '06. And there is nothing wrong with an '06. The problem comes when you want a second rifle. You either have to get something big enough to be significantly bigger, like a .338 Win Mag, or something significantly smaller/faster/lower recoil. Whichever you pick can only cover half of the possibilities. How about selling the '06 since you sound like you don't like it anyway? Then use the additional cash to buy two guns: a bigger gun like a .300 Win Mag and a lighter gun like a 7mm-08.

Next we'll talk about choosing your third rifle. :)

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My thoughts exactly. If your wanting to keep the 06, then I would buy long range setup in 7mm. You would have a light weight gun for the long walks and a heavy tack driver for the short ones.


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mcseal2

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I'll offer a little different take. If you have a good 30-06 you have the perfect back-up gun for almost every hunt. The 30-06 is always thought of as one of the top all around rifles ever. It does everything pretty darn well but isn't the fastest, flattest, or flashiest. Ammo can be bought at any place that sells ammo so if what you brought on a trip gets lost you are usually only out a trip to town and a few sight-in shots from being back in action.

I'd get whatever caliber you really want and keep the 30-06 for back-up. I always take a back-up rifle on hunts just in case. I mainly hunt big game with 2 rifles, a 264WM and a 300WM. I'm noticing a trend here and in other forums, most of the 2 rifle guys have something in the 25-06 thru 270 range, and a 300 or 338 magnum. It's pretty hard to beat that set-up if you want to use 2 guns. I know a lot of one rifle guys who have a 270, 30-06, or even more often now a 7mm Magnum. A lot of them use different loads for deer or antelope and elk.

I use the 264 with handloaded Berger 140gr bullets for most flat country hunts. Almost all my hunts for antlered whitetail, antelope, and sage country muleys I shoot that rifle. My 300WM is a custom gun for steeper country, mostly muleys and elk I shoot 180gr Accubonds from. It has a great pad and a brake and is very pleasant to shoot with them.

For normal ranges the ballistics are pretty similar so the holds are the same between them. Both start their bullets within 40fps of the same speed and both have pretty high BC values. Hornady's Ballistic Calculator shows the drop values within half an inch at 400yds. I have custom turrets on both with reticles that have the MOA markings for wind holds on longer shots. I try to range and dial for the range any time I can but if the shot is rushed or closer it's nice that both rifles have similar ballistics. If there is time I'll check the wind too and hold for that. I try to get close though, most of my game has been taken inside 300yds.

Honestly most of us think about this to much. Almost all my game could have been taken with a 3-9x scope and a 30-06. A few I was glad to have the set-ups I did instead but not many. We should probably all have one good rifle that would cover deer, antelope, and elk plus a cheaper Ruger American type rifle in the same caliber with a decent scope for back-up. Then we should get Ruger American Rimfire 22 rifles and put on a similar scope, and practice field shots with a few thousand rounds each year. It's more fun to have more rifles though.
 

HuskyMusky

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.243 may be the ultimate antelope cartridge, but not exactly my ideal for bigger stuff.

I know that's a light rifle, but if a 30-06 kicks like a mule... not sure you want a 7mm rem mag, or 300mag unless it's in a much heavier rifle, I don't want a break on another rifle of mine.

270 or 280 ackley in a non-super light weight rifle may be more ideal for you, pretty flat, the 280 especially with 160grs for elk etc...
and still small enough/ideal for antelope.


I would assume the 26 nosler kicks pretty hard, that's a pretty large case, even if you're shooting a light 26/6.5mm bullet...

6.5 creedmoor is interesting, not sure it does much for me personally that I can't do with a .243win or 270win. or 270wsm


btw not sure what grs in the 30-06 you're shooting but if it's 180, something like 150gr may help the kick a bit in that light rifle.


I think I'd look to a .243 win, 270win, 280 rem/AI, and probably stay away from the magnums.
 

Eberle

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Unless you just got an itch for a new rifle? The 30-06 is a great caliber. I would invest in a thumbhole stock with a good recoil pad. Your hand and forearm will absorb some of the recoil with a thumbhole. I'd have the action bedded (for accuracy). Shoot it if recoil still bothers you then look at installing a muzzle brake. Reloading is the key to improving accuracy. You can make a junk gun shoot good ammo, but you can not make a good gun shoot junk ammo! Good Luck
 

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There is one thing in Eberle's post I don't agree with.....thumbhole stocks for a hunting rifle. I built stocks for many years (over 100 as I remember) and decided to build a new rifle. I built me a really nice thumbhole stock. I shoot lefthanded and back in the day there wearn't too many left handed stocks. After hunting with it, I realized how difficult and cumbersome using the safety became. Most safeties are actuated by your thumb....where is the thumb, in the thumbhole! I took the stock off and built a new one and saved the thumbhole for later use. Finally 20 or so years later I built a prairie dog rifle in .220 Ackley Improved Swift and found a use for this beautiful stock. Think about how the mechanics of using the safety before you invest in a thumbhole for hunting.

220 Imp Swift with Chrono.jpg

I also believe the best all around bullet for the 30-06 is a 150 grainer. I use a Sierra 150 gr bt in mine.
 

mtncowboy

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I agree with everyone saying the 06' is enough, but this post isn't titled "Is my 06' sufficient?" :) I love dreaming about new guns. Here is my two cents. I just got a Browning X-bolt Hell's Canyon Speed in 6.5 creedmoor and it is a BLAST to shoot. I have been having tons of fun loading up different combos and trying them out. It is a tack driver to say the least! I swear every time I go out I end up shooting one of the best groups of my life. It has very little recoil and the barrel is slow to heat up so I can enjoy shooting it a lot. I would highly recommend a setup just like it.
The other rifle that I have shot for the last 6 years is a Browning X-Bolt (stainless, carbon fiber finish) in 270wsm. I have shot the caliber for about 15 years and I love it! I have shot lots of animals and have never been let down. I shoot 130 grain barnes tsx out of it and hit hammers the critters.
I love both of these rifles, but the 6.5 is very fun to shoot and I will tip some critters over with it this fall. Have fun and Good Luck.
 

NDguy

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I agree with everyone saying the 06' is enough, but this post isn't titled "Is my 06' sufficient?" :)
I was going to say, I never meant to imply my 06 was not doing it's job, I LOVE my rifle. Sometimes I just think you can really feel the recoil when shooting from the bench. I think I will look into a limbsaver to help with that. Again I meant to say I am looking at getting a NEW rifle and here is what I own so far (30-06). What caliber or rifle should I be looking at next?

Either way thanks for the great replies all!
 

Horsenhike

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This thread has gotten me off my butt to sell the stuff needed to purchase a stainless Tikka 300WM.

Might get it done this weekend as there is a gunshow in town. Thanks.
 

Tim McCoy

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This thread has gotten me off my butt to sell the stuff needed to purchase a stainless Tikka 300WM.

Might get it done this weekend as there is a gunshow in town. Thanks.
The new T3X has a better recoil pad, among other improvements, so says Tikka. Just something to look for in case you don't follow Tikka.

I am considering a Howa cerakoted barreled action in 6.5 CM myself, 22" #2 barrel for hunting. I have two stocks it would fit in... Be a good one for the grandkids in a year when the first one can hunt me thinks.
 

Eberle

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I was going to say, I never meant to imply my 06 was not doing it's job, I LOVE my rifle. Sometimes I just think you can really feel the recoil when shooting from the bench. I think I will look into a limbsaver to help with that. Again I meant to say I am looking at getting a NEW rifle and here is what I own so far (30-06). What caliber or rifle should I be looking at next?

Either way thanks for the great replies all!
7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag
 

Horsenhike

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The new T3X has a better recoil pad, among other improvements, so says Tikka. Just something to look for in case you don't follow Tikka.

I am considering a Howa cerakoted barreled action in 6.5 CM myself, 22" #2 barrel for hunting. I have two stocks it would fit in... Be a good one for the grandkids in a year when the first one can hunt me thinks.
Thanks for the advice. Pretty clear on all things Tikka as I have been lusting after one for awhile. Recoil lug and pad will need to be replaced, but I think I can get it for $500 out the door.

This purchase will give us a .223, .308, and a .300 Win Mag. Should cover about everything.
 

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I don't get out west as often as I would like, but I love my beater 280 Rem model 70 (bought 23 years ago at a hardware store in PA, while a starving college student), my Burris scope, and my reloads made on my Lee hand press. The mule deer I shot some years back fell dead-dead . 😆

280 uses 7mm bullets and is a lot of fun to play with in terms of bullets and loads. I had no idea what I bought way back then and have come to really enjoy handloading for that gun/shooting it at the range.

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Tim McCoy

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Thanks for the advice. Pretty clear on all things Tikka as I have been lusting after one for awhile. Recoil lug and pad will need to be replaced, but I think I can get it for $500 out the door.

This purchase will give us a .223, .308, and a .300 Win Mag. Should cover about everything.
Good luck getting what you seek. Looks like you will be set to me.

You've reminded me, I've still got to replace the recoil lug in both of mine. I checked one of my rifles a while back, the older of the two, and it was starting to go bad. I suspect that is why it's groups have opened up a bit recently with it's fav fodder.
 

Tim McCoy

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What has been the popular new rifle around here? Anyone heard good things about the new Tikka?
Relative to the Tikka. They did address some issues. They are arguably better than the older T3, but it really is the same rifle with some parts upgrades, not a fully new model. Has adjustable stock grip options, better recoil pad, larger edjection port, deadened the stock with foam, better recoil lug, metal bolt shroud and an additional scope base mounting hole. May be a tweak or two I missed. As far as I know, the barrel, trigger are the same.

The old recoil lug was aluminum, it is a $30 fix. It will actually deform a bit overtime, allowing the action to receiver bedding to move a little, which is bad for accuracy. To me, the best part of the new T3X, is potential discounts on T3's... Buy a SS recoil lug for a regular T3 and be happy. You can learn tons from reading the comments from these guys below their various Tikka part upgrades.
https://tikkaperformance.com/index.php?_route_=tikka-t3-accessories/tikka-steel-lug
 

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Just wanna say.......I'm sitting here rereading this post and thinking to myself.......what a great bunch of people and info being put out and shared here. Talk about some great data and perspective. I wanna highlight that as I don't hear or see things like this happening at such a high rate on other forums. I know this happens daily but its worth mentioning. Thanks everyone. I appreciate it.

Back to the thread......if I gotta go one caliber then I would take my 270 all day long.