Scrape Hnting Whitetails!

GOSHENGRUNTER

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Hey guys and gals...

So on my Facebook page, The Everyday Outdoorsman, I'm doing a 5 part article on hunting scrapes. This is info based on personal experience, wildlife biologists, and deer breeders. As with anything, I'm not saying it's the gospel, but it is info I use to regularly kill deer and hunt my honey holes. I'll post 'em up on this thread as I go. Let me know what you all think and share your experiences hunting scrapes! I'd love to hear what you guys out west see regarding these too!

SCRAPE HUNTING 101

PART 1 of 5- Football Scrapes

If you only follow advice from 1 day of this 5 part series...pick today's!

Below is a picture of a small scrape I watched a young 8 pointer make on October 20th, 2015. These small scrapes are roughly the size of a football, bare to the ground, and seemingly pop up everywhere overnight! I like to refer to these as 'Football Scrapes'. In my opinion and experience, there is no more useful tool for a whitetail hunter than Football Scrapes...

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Generally, I find these scrapes in early to mid October. It's important to properly identify these scrapes before hunting based on the valuable information they give us.

Football Scrapes will ALWAYS:
-Be bare to the ground
-Be on or near trails
-Be numerous in an area

Football Scrapes will NEVER:
-Be freshened up by a buck or doe
-Be larger than 1-2 feet in diameter, regardless of the deer that makes them

Football Scrapes may or may not have an overhanging "licking branch". They also may or may not have tracks, scat, or other sign in them.

---Why these are valuable to hunters---

Plain and simple, Football Scrapes are the evidence of a doe in your area that is 28-32 days from her estrous cycle. (28-32 days is the cycle of a whitetail doe). A whitetail buck has a special organ in the inside of his mouth which can tell him the EXACT status of a particular doe's estrous cycle. This is called the vomeronasal organ. Bucks always keep tabs on a doe's status. If a buck has antlers on his head he can and wants to breed. When a buck observes a doe coming into the pre-estrous cycle, he INSTINCTIVLEY reacts by making football scrapes. Like many mammals, whitetail does in a given population will cycle together. When that cycle hits....boom....the RUT!

By finding these football scrapes, you can precisely time the dates of the rut in your area. When you find these scrapes, mark your calendar and hunt 28-32 days later. If you hunt days 28-32 I guarantee you will hit the rut. Other factors such as hunting pressure, weather, moon phase, ect will determine deer activity during daylight hours, but, the rut WILL be on.

Continuing, count an additional 28-32 days (56-64 days from football scrape day) and you will hit the "Secondary Rut" . This is when most yearling does and does which were not bred come into rut. The secondary rut generally sees less pressure than the primary.

---How to capitalize---

We all have those giant bucks on camera that are 100% nocturnal. These bucks will most likely become vulnerable during the rut IF not pressured. I cannot stress enough not to pressure a mature buck. By knowing the prime rut dates, you can avoid hunting your honey hole for 4 weeks and let the area settle. A buck who hasn't been hunted for 4 weeks is much easier to kill than a buck who smells you in his area every weekend. Find football scrapes, date the rut, plan your days off, and LEAVE THE AREA ALONE!

Being able to precisely time the best hunting dates will allow you maximize time off work. It will make your hunting time exponentially more productive. You'll see and kill more bucks than if hunting in a shotgun schedule pattern.---

I've spent the last 4 years hunting based off of football scrapes and here are my results-

2012- Football scrapes, 10/24- killed buck 11/24 (1 hunt) 124" buck
2013- Football scrapes, 10/12- killed buck 11/10 (1 hunt in stand) 135" buck
2014- Football scrapes, 10/1- killed buck 10/30 (1 hunt) 130" buck
2015- Football scrapes, 10/20- killed buck 11/20 (2 hunts) 187" buck

Less time on stand, more deer seen, and bigger bucks killed! IT WORKS!

If you are skeptical, use this season as a test. Mark down the day you find these scrapes and count ahead. Hunt the 28-32 day period and check your own results!



Tomorrow- Core Area Scrapes!
 

Fink

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So, what's the point of making the scrape, if it's never freshened? Is it strictly "There's a doe that walked by here, and she's 28-32 days out, so I'm gonna scratch out a scrape?"
Or does he know to now come back to this exact spot a month later, and see if she's still there?
Or, is this strictly a way to try and time the peak of the rut?
 

packmule

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Usually it's the young deer's way of releasing sexual frustration when they're ready to go and the does aren't ready after velvet has come off and a good cold snap hits. Some of them still get to feed around "mama", but she's still top of that pecking order so he'll hang off to the side and tear up a tree and make scrapes, get bored and then move to another tree close and start again bc "mama" and the rest of the matriarch group isn't constantly on the move like bucks tend to be. Really the only benefit these areas where the cluster scrapes pop up is that does are in the area often. So bucks will come through during rut actively checking where the does frequent. The scrapes that are way more interesting to hunt outside of rut and put cameras on show up right about the time the velvet comes off and the bachelor groups split. Those have nothing to do with does and everything to do with where a buck's bedroom is and him wanting to know every buck that's in the area until antlers get shed. If you manage to kill the main buck using it one of the other bucks will set up shop there for the following year.
 

GOSHENGRUNTER

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So, what's the point of making the scrape, if it's never freshened? Is it strictly "There's a doe that walked by here, and she's 28-32 days out, so I'm gonna scratch out a scrape?"
Or does he know to now come back to this exact spot a month later, and see if she's still there?
Or, is this strictly a way to try and time the peak of the rut?
Its 100% instinctive. Buck, usually young, smells a doe 1 cycle out...nature happens. Useless to hunt over but perfect for timing tge rut!

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GOSHENGRUNTER

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Usually it's the young deer's way of releasing sexual frustration when they're ready to go and the does aren't ready after velvet has come off and a good cold snap hits. Some of them still get to feed around "mama", but she's still top of that pecking order so he'll hang off to the side and tear up a tree and make scrapes, get bored and then move to another tree close and start again bc "mama" and the rest of the matriarch group isn't constantly on the move like bucks tend to be. Really the only benefit these areas where the cluster scrapes pop up is that does are in the area often. So bucks will come through during rut actively checking where the does frequent. The scrapes that are way more interesting to hunt outside of rut and put cameras on show up right about the time the velvet comes off and the bachelor groups split. Those have nothing to do with does and everything to do with where a buck's bedroom is and him wanting to know every buck that's in the area until antlers get shed. If you manage to kill the main buck using it one of the other bucks will set up shop there for the following year.
In a 4 year study of scrapes, mock scrapes and licking branches- the only scrapes that were not used by more than 1 buck were scrapes made by button bucks.

What youre saying above is dead nuts accurate pertaining to whitetail scrapes. I would only add/suggest that these football scrapes stem from the whitetails instinct to breed. They are valueable info beyond temperature and frustration.

Another type of scrapes I call "junk scrapes" will be covered later in the week!

Keep it comin fellas!

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Fink

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Its 100% instinctive. Buck, usually young, smells a doe 1 cycle out...nature happens. Useless to hunt over but perfect for timing tge rut!

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This makes sense. Although, it seems to me, there's a period right around peak breeding where there's limited movement, the Lockdown Phase.. In your testing, did you happen to see a decrease in movement right around the peak of breeding?
 

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In a 4 year study of scrapes, mock scrapes and licking branches- the only scrapes that were not used by more than 1 buck were scrapes made by button bucks.

What youre saying above is dead nuts accurate pertaining to whitetail scrapes. I would only add/suggest that these football scrapes stem from the whitetails instinct to breed. They are valueable info beyond temperature and frustration.

Another type of scrapes I call "junk scrapes" will be covered later in the week!

Keep it comin fellas!

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I've been running cameras on scrapes since the mid-90s. Back then, I didn't want a hog or a group of does using the whole roll of film and the disappointment from it after killing an hour at the store waiting for the film to develop.

If you want some entertainment, find one of those bedroom scrapes and go about 20yds from it, rake out a spot under a limb and pee in it. The attitude in the buck will come out when it digs a wallow to cover you up. He'll be a little more active trying to investigate the situation. I do that to an old buck on our place, 3-4 days after I do that he's there checking at dark and right before daylight. Then he'll take a break until I do it again. ;)
 
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GOSHENGRUNTER

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This makes sense. Although, it seems to me, there's a period right around peak breeding where there's limited movement, the Lockdown Phase.. In your testing, did you happen to see a decrease in movement right around the peak of breeding?
Absolutely! In my experience based opinion- you have 3-4 great days of hunting. Then 3-4 days of lockdown. After finding the football scrapes, i believe days 28-30 are the best. Days 32-34 can be some of the worst hunting youll ever see!

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Absolutely! In my experience based opinion- you have 3-4 great days of hunting. Then 3-4 days of lockdown. After finding the football scrapes, i believe days 28-30 are the best. Days 32-34 can be some of the worst hunting youll ever see!

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Completely agree. Historically, in my neck of the woods, about November 5th through the 10th can be lights out bowhunting, just in time for out gun season to mess it up!
 

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Gents,

Great info and discussion which also highlights one key item.

When talking Cervidae family (elk, mule deer, whitetail deer)
We the humans have inserted a mindset. The rut. What is the definition of the rut? IMO its when humans see/hear the most rutting activity. Peak breeding, the "rut" and all phases around it, regardless of species is derived from the female cycle. I find it IMO better to keep it simple and study that. Its all determined by the amount of daylight verses dark and cycle times of the animals.

Example: All is based off of the fall equinox (Sept 22/23) study your animal in relation to that and their cycle times. Factor in the weather and latitude and it paints the exact same picture year after year after year. If you plot out cycle dates on a calendar you will see that most does have cycled roughly around Oct 12th, Nov 1st and Nov 21st. My theory is this factors into the disappearance in Oct of our mature bucks only to come out in hard force with weather changes mid November knowing "if they don't get some soon, the party will be over due to the girls are bred"

IMO the estrous cycle in deer varies from 17 - 22 days, depending on the species, and this cyclical breeding activity may continue for as long as six months in animals which do not become pregnant . I always used the above numbers for calculations. Its arguably shorter than most and comes from the certified observation biology crowd. (read they are in the woods 180 days out of the year getting paid to watch, listen and document)

Utilize the 200 day gestation period of the whitetail, versus when the fawns drop and you will see the dates you come up with are Oct 15 and Nov 14 roughly. that's the window the most "breeding is going on" IMO

We see increased activity in Nov due to the numbers of does coming into heat are decreasing, more chasing, looking for the last one.

Just my thoughts and another perspective. All the best and happy hunting.
 
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