You good sir are a fool if you want to go to a point system. Nd residents have to purchase preference points it takes 5 years to draw a deer rifle tag in a less desired unit. Talking badlands it takes longer. Antelope tags are about the same. It is not a good system and I think a lot of guys would be unhappy with this system in Wyoming. But if you want to be foolish go ahead and write your rep.
Resident Preference Points for Deer, Elk and Antelope??
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ssulliv155
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It may not be too bad of an idea as long as residents still have the ability to get a general tag without using points if they don’t draw the limited quota tag.
shootbrownelk
Veteran member
Those of us who are Wyoming residents already have a points system for Moose and Sheep. Just like non-residents. We've had it for years. It's only for Moose and Sheep, they'd just expand the system. There is a 5 year wait before you can apply again after you draw.
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Micah S
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Preference points work good the first few years then point creep takes over. Units that people used to draw every few years will soon take 10 years. Oregon did this and it's been a disaster. A good elk hunt takes 15+ years to draw and a middle of the road antelope tag takes 13+.
JimP
Administrator
If units are now taking 15+ points to draw an elk tag with points then how good were your odd when it was a random draw?
Point systems are a double edge sword. Some like them some don't. When Colorado went to a limited draw hunt on deer everyone complained but as it got into it people found that instead of being able to hunt every year it turned into every two years, except for the later hunts and the units that could not sustain a OTC hunt anymore. Also here in Colorado I can hunt a trophy unit with a muzzle loader every 2 years and some times I get lucky and can hunt it 2 years in a row, it is the luck of the draw. Archery hunters have it some better. It used to take 2 years to draw that archery tag, now you can draw it very close to every year. Other units you can hunt every year even with the draw and point system.
Point systems are a double edge sword. Some like them some don't. When Colorado went to a limited draw hunt on deer everyone complained but as it got into it people found that instead of being able to hunt every year it turned into every two years, except for the later hunts and the units that could not sustain a OTC hunt anymore. Also here in Colorado I can hunt a trophy unit with a muzzle loader every 2 years and some times I get lucky and can hunt it 2 years in a row, it is the luck of the draw. Archery hunters have it some better. It used to take 2 years to draw that archery tag, now you can draw it very close to every year. Other units you can hunt every year even with the draw and point system.
wy-tex
Veteran member
Um, Bill Haley is a retired GW and was a good one. He is just mislead on this issue. In fact he is more than willing to listen to his constituents. We need to be vocal though.
I would certainly consider a small fee increase for the tags instead of a PP system.
For units where the random draw odds are pretty good...let's say 30% to 50%...going to a PP system may not be too bad, because there is a lot of annual turnover. On the other hand, if the current odds are 30% to 50% what's the point of going to a PP system? Just be patient and you'll get lucky and draw a tag.
For units such as Area 100 bull elk in the Red Desert, where the random odds are currently about 3%, if you don't get in on the ground floor of the PP system you may never draw a tag. And there will be a lot of people that don't get in on the ground floor for various reasons...especially if they are too young to apply the first year.
And don't forget, you are going to be paying to accumulate points.
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JimP
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It says a "preference point system" in the summary of the bill.
As for the cost of them, ever since the Wyoming Legislature changed the funding for the Wyoming Game and Fish they need to come up with ways to make money.
As for the cost of them, ever since the Wyoming Legislature changed the funding for the Wyoming Game and Fish they need to come up with ways to make money.
The odds of me drawing my preferred moose and sheep units are half of what they'd be without a preference point system. I ardently oppose a preference point system and will be contacting my representative telling him so. A random draw is the most fair system. Everyone gets treated in exactly the same way. Preference point systems favor older hunters against younger and new hunters. People who care about long term funding of conservation and wildlife management and who want to recruit new hunters to that end should never support preference point systems. People who support preference point systems have always struck me as very entitled. I have no problem with "lucky" people drawing tags multiple times that I've never drawn, as long as our odds are exactly the same. A preference point system will benefit me in the short term, but I don't want a system that favors me against my children and newer hunters. I want a system that treats my children and my friends new to hunting exactly as it treats me.
WapitiBob
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All the Bill does is add residents to the current Elk/Deer/Antelope system that is in place for nr. Nothing in the Bill addresses cost.
"One of my main concerns is related to new hunter recruitment. If young people don't get in on the ground floor of the PP system, they will get far behind in points. Not good for new hunter recruitment."
More of a fear statement then legitimate argument. This bill would do nothing to prevent young and new hunter recruitment. Its already written into the bill that a certain percentage of the tags will go random draw.
On top of that, there's more than enough opportunity with general license deer and elk areas throughout the state to attract any hunter. I would also think many decent antelope areas will turnover every two to three years not to mention there's a pile of left over doe tags and areas that can be drawn on a second choice.
If a new hunter isn't attracted to the sport unless they get a limited quota tag right from the get go, they were never going to be a hunter anyway.
This bill may not pass this year, but as demand continues to increase I think it will at some point...
More of a fear statement then legitimate argument. This bill would do nothing to prevent young and new hunter recruitment. Its already written into the bill that a certain percentage of the tags will go random draw.
On top of that, there's more than enough opportunity with general license deer and elk areas throughout the state to attract any hunter. I would also think many decent antelope areas will turnover every two to three years not to mention there's a pile of left over doe tags and areas that can be drawn on a second choice.
If a new hunter isn't attracted to the sport unless they get a limited quota tag right from the get go, they were never going to be a hunter anyway.
This bill may not pass this year, but as demand continues to increase I think it will at some point...
Fink
Veteran member
This.. Any resident that wants a point system in Wyoming is either very uninformed, or very selfish.
I don't think you can beat the setup you all have right now... Swing for the fences on a hard to draw tag, and when you don't draw, oh darn, pick up a general elk tag that's better than every other states OTC tag, and better than probably half of the limited quota units in other states..
JimP
Administrator
From reading the bill they go through what the law is for non residents and remove the "non resident" and just replaces it with the animal species such as deer, elk, and antelope.
Then if you read the supplement you will see what the Anticipated Revenue increase will amount to.
So in the long run there will be a cost to both non residents and residents if this bill passes.
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Yet, another stupid idea from people who don't know anything about the outcome of what they propose. Ask the residents of CO how their point system is working out for them.
I highly doubt it will happen. The G&F has done the mathematical modeling on this and the don't want it. I doubt it would be signed by the Governor without a G&F Commission recommendation anyway.
It would not change a thing mathematically when you look at the big picture. There are not enough people with "super luck" to even budge the masses that think they have bad luck. Sorry guys, your Area-100 elk tag (<2%) will probably never be drawn with or without a points system. There just aren't enough people who have drawn it two or three times to make a difference in the long run.
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I highly doubt it will happen. The G&F has done the mathematical modeling on this and the don't want it. I doubt it would be signed by the Governor without a G&F Commission recommendation anyway.
It would not change a thing mathematically when you look at the big picture. There are not enough people with "super luck" to even budge the masses that think they have bad luck. Sorry guys, your Area-100 elk tag (<2%) will probably never be drawn with or without a points system. There just aren't enough people who have drawn it two or three times to make a difference in the long run.
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You are absolutely correct BBB. Think about being a kid growing up in CO and facing the fact you will never in your lifetime see a top tier tag under the current system. At least my daughter has a chance at drawing an Area-58 elk tag here in WY when she turns 12.
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