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As far as landowner vouchers go, I know CO allows landowners to sell them and a lot of them allow the purchaser to hunt public land within that unit while a guy that puts in for the draw and doesn't get draw gets screwed. I don't believe a voucher should be able to be used for anything other than the land within the ranch boundaries. I also understand that next year some big changes wre passed and are coming to the detriment of DIY hunters, as well as the smaller ranchers.
 
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doesn't mean we cant keep it going amongst ourselves though..... Idaho has a program called access yes. how it works..... we donate money to fish and game, each time we buy a tag or put in for a tag and the money that gets dumped into the super hunt tags gets thrown in a big pot, then land owners agree to accept a fee from fish and game (from this cache of mula) in agreement to open their lands to hunters and anglers. its been working pretty fantastic, some landowners are cheating the system buy taking the money but refusing access but for the most part some really awesome hunting lands have been reopened due to this. and as for my opinion on land locked blm.... if there is no other way to access public land other than by way of private land then we should be allowed access to it. it just complete bullshit to land lock us out of (public ) land, its no longer public when land locked, these landowners are stealing our public land when land locking and its not cool.
 
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also, another side note. leased land is not private land! a lot of guys here in Idaho lease land and post the crap out of it, please do not let these guys get away with it. if you know your hunting public land and you find it posted please notify authorities. ive been chased off of public land to many times and with this awesome technology in our gps's we can know if we r in right or wrong, ive watched wardens give tickets to 3 diff guys that chased me off of public land cuz they feel they own it cuz they lease it, very illegal.
 
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In Wyoming, Taylor Haynes, republican candidate for governor is advocating the transfer of federal lands to state ownership. He has implied that he is willing to do this with the stroke of a pen regardless of the questionable legality. He has a full page ad about federal land transfer in the Cheyenne newspaper today. If you are a Wyoming resident, I encourage you not to vote for Mr. Haynes in the primary election this Tuesday, August 19th. Because Wyoming is a republican state, the winner of the primary will almost certainly become governor. Therefore the primary is more important than the general election in November. Please get out to vote on Tuesday.
 
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I belive the federal lands in any state should revert to state ownership and control.
 
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Vince---Anyone who thinks such a thing as you stated better get their act together and study the issue thoroughly. It sounds good if you know nothing about the issue and it certainly sounds like you don't from reading your comment. No state has enough money to do such a thing when just fire control in one bad season would bankrupt an individual state. If a state took control, you could almost bet that it would result in a situation where they would then want or need to sell off the land to private interests and that would then take it out of the public domain altogether and eliminate million of acres that we all now use for various recreational purposes! Please study the issue thoroughly before you make such comments because you're in the vast minority of hunters/conservationists on this one!
 
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Ikeepitcold said:
Isent deeded land not considered private and supposed to be open to the public?
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Deeded land is land that is privately owned by a person with full rights of ownership of that property. Leased land is land they pay for to run cattle or sheep on for grazing purposes and some leased land is used for agricultural purposes. However, the State or Federal Government (us) owns it.
 
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the fire thing is a hole new topic, way to much money being dumped into it. all the money they spend to save a few houses is so so so much more then the cost of the actual house. don't want ur house to burn down, don't build amongst the trees. states waste so much money yearly in this battle. fighting fires actually causes more horrific fires in the future, woodlands and forests need burned, its natures way. now the burns they do, the controlled burns, those are very beneficial. and I think its crazy that they make me pay money to pull dead fall out of woods to keep my house warm during winter when what im doing is removing fuel for the multi million dollar fires. we had a fire close to my hunting grounds last month, I was up there scouting when the fire started, that night in the news they said fire was caused by lightning, this is false, there was no clouds, not even a low pressure system remotely close to the state. there was no lightning. not sure how they got away with that one, sounds like fire was started to put people to work. I sent an email off and left a voice mail concerning this and never heard back.
 
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Topgun,
I have studied the issue. I have also studied the intent of the founding fathers. That is how I came to my conclusion. Each state is best able to decide what is best for itself.
 
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vince said:
Topgun,
I have studied the issue. I have also studied the intent of the founding fathers. That is how I came to my conclusion. Each state is best able to decide what is best for itself.
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Question---If the state took control and was going into the red because of fire control amongst other things, how do you think they would bail the state out? I'll answer it for you! They would sell off whatever they could to private interests, thus locking up many more millions of acres that are now available to all citizens for all kinds of recreational interests. We already have a bunch of jackasses in Congress that want to do that just to decrease the massive debt they themselves have created through their previous stupid decisions, as well as some at the state level that espouse taking control just to sell it off and make money for the state with no thought as to the ramifications of what that would mean.
 
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Here's another question for you Vince. What was the intent of the founding fathers that you have studied and how does it involve this issue to lead you to your comment about state control of Federal lands?
 
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What proof does anyone have that the states (there are a few western states that want to manage their own public land, not just WY) want to take control of the federal land in them because they intend to sell it? I have herd this a few different places but I have not seen any documentation or proof of this.
 
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Some of the stuff I have heard on the radio was about oil and gas leases not going through because of the sage grouse protected area or whatever you call it and other things. The beetle kill and restrictions on building logging roads to access timber and things like that are other issues. There are a lot of opinions and different views, but a lot of the drilling right now is on private land or existing leases. I have heard that some leases that went up for sale for coal didn't even get a bid, which is kindof a bad sign, but hopefully not. I think the leases that didn't go through are part of the reason for the topic coming up lately. Packmule was probably right when he said it was all smoke blowing. The feds are kindof making people nervous here with some of the things they are doing, candidates might be playing off of that.
 
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It seems like the Feds are really chocking the western states economy's to death with the ESA, EPA and other regs. There has been alot less logging in the last 20 years or so which has all but killed alot of small towns that their main economy was logging and a mill, now we have giant forest fires because the forests are not managed properly. Alot of grazing leases have been revoked or reduced and we end up with giant fires like the Holloway fire in NV because there is somuch fuel from not grazing it properly. I think alot of states are tired of these types of things and want to manage the land in their state. I dont think it has anything to do with wanting to sell the land.
 
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Musket Man said:
It seems like the Feds are really chocking the western states economy's to death with the ESA, EPA and other regs. There has been alot less logging in the last 20 years or so which has all but killed alot of small towns that their main economy was logging and a mill, now we have giant forest fires because the forests are not managed properly. Alot of grazing leases have been revoked or reduced and we end up with giant fires like the Holloway fire in NV because there is somuch fuel from not grazing it properly. I think alot of states are tired of these types of things and want to manage the land in their state. I dont think it has anything to do with wanting to sell the land.
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The problem is that selling public land has become part of the party platforms for Republicans in MT and has been proposed in federal budgets coming out of the house. I agree on all counts though MM, much of the management has been poor to say the least but putting it in the hands of people who want to sell it off is not the solution either.
 
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If the State of Wyoming ever gets title to all the BLM/ National Forest lands within this state, you can surely kiss DIY hunting goodbye. Wyoming would sell off the ground they got to Ranchers/Outfitters and Foreign interests P.D.Q. As it is now, lease holders pretty much dictate what you can do on school trust lands..NO camping..NO atv's (except theirs) and the list goes on.
BLM doesn't do the best job managing land, but they aren't planning a fire sale on it either. Taylor Haynes is a rancher, among other things. He's the one who said he'd open Yellowstone & Grand Teton parks to oil/gas drilling....He's too far out there IMO.
 
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If selling public land has been proposed in federal budgets coming out of the house isnt that the Feds wanting to sell it? I have not seen any proof the states want to take control of the public land so they can sell it. From what I have seen the states want to manage the land better and are not happy with the job the feds are doing.

http://helenair.com/news/local/other-states-working-on-taking-control-of-federal-lands/article_d10bbee2-dbf7-11e3-a5ff-0019bb2963f4.html

http://americanlandscouncil.org/tag/selling-off-of-public-lands/
 
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