Preference Point Systems- have we gone too far?

Zim

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If anyone knows of any other point cheapening legislation brewing in any states for 2017, I hope they will post it here so some of us 20 point old timers can take the necessary bail out precautions this application season. I'm constantly on the lookout any more. Politicians won't hesitate a New York minute to throw us minority constituents under the bus. It's all about fast money.
 
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RICMIC

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Zim; And a pretty girl to boot, congratulations. Does she know about your hunting obsession? The few Chinese that I have met were absolutely SHOCKED that we (as Americans) were able to own firearms.
 

jmwyoming

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I also agree that the no big game hunting Wyoming wilderness for nonresidents be thrown out. They can hike and hunt small game in the wilderness area but not hunt big game?
 

WY ME

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Ya it's a stupid guide requirement law just like in Alaska and the entire country of Canada. But if we get another Obama type democrat in the White House we'll eventually have even more areas of wilderness in WY that are inaccessible to nonresidents.
 

Zim

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Zim; And a pretty girl to boot, congratulations. Does she know about your hunting obsession? The few Chinese that I have met were absolutely SHOCKED that we (as Americans) were able to own firearms.
Does she look 52? :)

Yes we dated for three years and she knew about it immediately. I also learned a lot about firearms and wildlife in China. Most of her relatives know Americans are armed, fewer understand the concept of hunting. I explained it. Fang's attitude is so so. I was kind of surprised she was not scared away by my apartment living room which houses bull moose, elk & whitetail mounts. But as we considered living arrangements, we reached a compromise. She wanted to keep her condo in Chengdu, and spend 3 months/year there. And live with me in the US 9 months/year. She was fine with her three months coming in the fall Sept/Oct/Nov so I decided I could live with that. I'll get a three month free hall pass every year.

I even showed photos of my Glock to Fang's family and they understood OK. I also had an interesting dinner with her English teacher friends from her school. They did not know about the US hunting management system. That was a new concept to them.
 
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WIrick

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I think new Mexico has it right no points just submit and randomly draw period. That is the fairest way. There are no fewer of us now days and it just seems like it is becoming a pay to play sort of thing cash talks
 

meat hunter

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I know of some Wyoming residents that did not get deer tags last year. Edit. Kinda like putting you in a lq full price for non res if you do not draw first choice. Can you say fundraiser...
 
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HuskyMusky

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They're squeezing non-residents too, charging more and more, when 10% of nonres generate as much as 100% of resident, seems tags increase in cost while more and more goto residents or they're paying 1/38th of what a nonres is for that same tag.... MT Elk...

I'd like to see a multiplier of 5-10x at most for resident tag fee vs non-res.

Also once in a lifetime tags should cost the same across the board IMO.

Honestly if money is the only issue states might as well sell every non-resident a tag before selling any residents.

Residents should pay a fair price for an elk tag, etc..., not a subsidized discounted tag fee.
 

BuzzH

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They're squeezing non-residents too, charging more and more, when 10% of nonres generate as much as 100% of resident, seems tags increase in cost while more and more goto residents or they're paying 1/38th of what a nonres is for that same tag.... MT Elk...

I'd like to see a multiplier of 5-10x at most for resident tag fee vs non-res.

Also once in a lifetime tags should cost the same across the board IMO.

Honestly if money is the only issue states might as well sell every non-resident a tag before selling any residents.

Residents should pay a fair price for an elk tag, etc..., not a subsidized discounted tag fee.
I really don't like posts like these, for several reasons.

When you look at the total revenue for any Western GF agency, you will quickly notice that there are a lot of funding sources, not just NR license fees. There are PR/DJ funds, federal and state grants, license fees, etc.

The states are always going to charge more for NR's and have the absolute right to. While I agree that the fees should remain within reach of hunters of more average means, I don't find NR fees that out of line. In particular when you factor in all the other expenses related to a NR hunt...rifles, clothing, optics, fuel, food, etc. etc. etc. The cost of the tags is not prohibitive to those that really make hunting a priority.

The thing I take most exception to is the "resident subsidized discount tag fee"...that's a pretty narrow view of things, to say the least. The States provides significant funding through general fund appropriations for things related to the operation of the various GF Departments.

Plus, there are thousands of volunteer hours spent by residents of each state for things like habitat improvement, being active in legislation, involvement on various Land Management committees, GF committees, and the list goes on and on.

Plus in the case of Wyoming, things like the WWNRT have been funded almost entirely through general funds.

Then there is all the local support financially, through the various wildlife groups that are comprised largely of residents that go toward wildlife as well.

I just think its unfair to say that Residents are subsidized, when I see the extensive efforts that go into habitat, wildlife, etc. through the hard work of primarily Residents.

I also feel fortunate that Residents of other States allow me, as a NR, to hunt their states and are willing to share their resources. I almost feel guilty at times when I think of all the good Residents do for their wildlife, monetarily as well as with their free time, and all I do is scribble a check for a NR tag and go hunting. Paying more for that opportunity is the very least I can do as a hunter/conservationist.
 

Gr8bawana

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They're squeezing non-residents too, charging more and more, when 10% of nonres generate as much as 100% of resident, seems tags increase in cost while more and more goto residents or they're paying 1/38th of what a nonres is for that same tag.... MT Elk...

I'd like to see a multiplier of 5-10x at most for resident tag fee vs non-res.

Also once in a lifetime tags should cost the same across the board IMO.

Honestly if money is the only issue states might as well sell every non-resident a tag before selling any residents.

Residents should pay a fair price for an elk tag, etc..., not a subsidized discounted tag fee.
It always amazes me when a resident of a eastern state complains about the price of non-res tags. The reason western states can charge so much for non-res tags is because there are thousands and thousaands of people willing to pay so much for a chance of drawing a much coveted western big game tag.
Being a resident should come with a lower price. If we want to hunt a neighboring state we have to pay the same non-res fees as any other non-res.
We like the idea of being able to hunt in the wide open mountains where you can go for a week and not see another person. There are not countless thousands of western hunters clamoring to go back east to hunt on someones back forty on the family farm.
It's supply and demand and yes the state game agencies have to make money.
 

NE69

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NR tags are high, but if they doubled the price, I bet they would sell out. Supply and demand. Look at WY and CO and the demand for the top units wouldn't drop until they got over $2000 and maybe not then? I have been expecting the Game & Fish to realize what the high demand tags are worth and price them accordingly. Just hope some numbers guy in the wrong place doesn't figure this out, although it might be a solution to point creep. :rolleyes:
 

Triple BB

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What do you want us to think about. The first time your over priced tag buys influence more than my vote is the day you'll see a local politician on his way out.
 

88man

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I understand why non residents pay higher tag fees and I personally don't complain. I appreciate all the habitat work residents do for wildlife in the field and through voice. Buzz H your words " I also feel fortunate that Residents of other States allow me, as a NR, to hunt their states and are willing to share their resources." Scares me a bit. Are we not one nation under god! One nation. I believe as an american we have the right to hunt in any state of our country. Especially the public lands of the USA. Maybe I'm mis taking that portion so please accept my apologies and thanks for all you do.
 

Tim McCoy

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88, as far as I understand things, Buzz's remark is spot on. States can and do limit and eliminate NR hunting opportunity by rules, quotas and not allowing NR tags for some species. Law of the land as I understand it, is the state owns and controls the wildlife, regardless of who owns the land the wildlife is on. So those states allow NR hunting in essence, and if they can allow, they conceivably could disallow...
 

WY ME

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I believe as an american we have the right to hunt in any state of our country. Especially the public lands of the USA.
88man, how would you feel about reciprocity between states? For example if we are not allowed to hunt all the animals in your state you should not be able to hunt any animals in ours. Every huntable big game animal in Wyoming has tags available for nonresidents but other states such as Nebraska (sheep), S. Dakota (sheep, elk, goat & lion), Michigan (elk), etc. do not allow residents of Wyoming or the rest of the world to hunt all of their big game animals. Sounds fair to me.
 

Casper

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This system would work in any western state. Everyone gets there bonus points squared and 50% of tags go to the guys with the highest bonus points and the other 50% go into the regular draw. We now have a even split of tags and everyone would have a chance to draw. It also would encourage people to apply and get there kids involved as well. the squared point system works well and pays out the guy with points, say 5 points he is now at 25 verse the new guy in with 1 point as he is still at 1 point.

Nevada has the points squared but falls short as there are no set aside tags for high point holders.
Arizona has single bonus points and only 20% to high point holders, the single point system is weak and many of the 80% random tags go to real low point holders. If AZ squared the points more of the random tags would go to a little higher point group.
Colorado and Wyoming everything I have built points for will be almost be a once in a life time hunt and i would never catch back up with there current systems.

Just fuel for thought.