Paying it Forward... Wyo Area 20 Moose

[PointsHunter]

In poker you have to "give some action to get some action." I figured I'd pay it foward and give close to some GPS locations for moose kills in Wyoming Area 20 over the past few years. If you're interested - feel free to send me a PM.

 

[Don K]

How many tags are given out for Area 20? JMO, but might have been better off offering advice and help for this area and sending the guys a PM or email with the information.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

How many tags are given out for Area 20? JMO, but might have been better off offering advice and help for this area and sending the guys a PM or email with the information.

Unit 20 got 15 tags for 2014 and IMHO you are correct in that it's way too much information to put right out on a Forum such as this where people that aren't even active members can read it! Doing so could help ones who aren't doing the needed homework and screw ones who are.

 

[Drelk]

Unit 20 got 15 tags for 2014 and IMHO you are correct in that it's way too much information to put right out on a Forum such as this where people that aren't even active members can read it! Doing so could help ones who aren't doing the needed homework and screw ones who are.

^^^^^^what he said

 

[cutback]

PointsHunter, message sent.

 

[Umpqua Hunter]

What I have often done on once-in-a-lifetime highly coveted tags is I will spill the beans with one hunter per year. This limits how much information goes out, but helps one hunter get a huge jump on their hunt.

The problem with providing that info on an open forum, is the area will potentially be hit hard. Also consider that you are advertising the location of an outfitters base camp. That is his hard won livelihood. It's kinda fun to figure that kind of thing out and gives you confidence you are in the right area, but it should not be advertised publicly.

Please delete that photo that shows the outfitters camp, in fact please delete all of them and instead offer help, to someone who draws, as others have mentioned.

 

[Drelk]

^^^^^^exactly this

 

[Topgun 30-06]

What I have often done on once-in-a-lifetime highly coveted tags is I will spill the beans with one hunter per year. This limits how much information goes out, but helps one hunter get a huge jump on their hunt.

The problem with providing that info on an open forum, is the area will potentially be hit hard. Also consider that you are advertising the location of an outfitters base camp. That is his hard won livelihood. It's kinda fun to figure that kind of thing out and gives you confidence you are in the right area, but it should not be advertised publicly.

Please delete that photo that shows the outfitters camp, in fact please delete all of them and instead offer help, to someone who draws, as others have mentioned.

I feel the same way UH and really would implore the OP to delete all those maps and, in fact, rewrite his entire post. That's just way too much information when you start circling kill sites that are basicly honey holes, etc. I really don't call that post paying it forward, but rather screwing the guy that has that tag and put in a ton of hard work only to find this post with everything but the exact coordinates that each animal fell. Please do as we ask and redo your entire post!!!

 

[Umpqua Hunter]

PointsHunter was on today at 1:04 am and edited something. I can't tell what was edited though.

 

[cutback]

FWIW, I've got 15 points and at present have no interest in hunting Unit #20.
From where I'm sitting, It would have been a better use of your time, to take some of your own advice and pm the op...... Comes across as an amazing display of internet hunting sherriffs and arrogance in your posts......

 

[Topgun 30-06]

FWIW, I've got 15 points and at present have no interest in hunting Unit #20.
From where I'm sitting, It would have been a better use of your time, to take some of your own advice and pm the op...... Comes across as an amazing display of internet hunting sherriffs and arrogance in your posts......[/QUOTE

FWIW ain't much IMHO because there was absolutely no arrogance in asking what we did and I believe we're both pretty well respected, very active members on this site!!! FYI the Mods have asked that we try to keep this site clean of confrontational posts like you made and what you stated could have easily been put in PMs to us just like you said we should have done to him! How would you like it if you had one of the few tags for that hunt unit and read that post showing all those kill sites and information out on a site where you don't even have to be a member to read it? If you're honest you'll know exactly what your answer would be and why we have asked the OP to redo his post out on this thread where he's been active every day, including this AM for a slight edit he made, rather than in a PM! Please drop it and let's keep the thread away from anything that will require a Mod to intervene. Thanks!

 

[cutback]

Thank you for making my point. Enough said......

 

[Topgun 30-06]

Thank you for making my point. Enough said......

Please see my PM!

 

[PointsHunter]

Top Gun & UH,

First - thanks for the respectful way with which you gave input regarding my OP. The intent of my post was to help fellow sportsmen who draw this tag. I certainly never intended to create conflict between members. I've thought about your input and certainly respect your opinion. I edited the post and removed one slide which indicated a possible location of an outfitter's camp. Posting that was poor form and I acknowledge the error.

It is my opinion that based on the number of tags (~15 per year) and the frequency in which any one person could draw (roughly every 20 years) that this information will not in any way "screw over" any particular hunter. UH rightly pointed out that information like this can lead to a particular area getting additional hunting pressure. I also considered that prior to posting. However, if you'll look at the information posted you'll see hunters will need to hike about a mile just to get into the hunting unit and once there it's steep terrain. My assessment - not enough hunters would be willing to hunt this area to lead to spike in hunting pressure. Last, the information posted is not the "popular" hunting area for this unit and having hunted the area doubt what I have posted would result in sudden spike in hunting pressure. Again - intent of post was to help dedicated sportsmen fortunate enought to draw the tag.

I'm a "junior poster" on this site but over the past 3 decades have only missed hunting season while at service academy or deployed... so I'm fully aware of the "value of information" regarding hunting locations and how hard it is to aquire that information. While we may disagree, I ask that you respect the thought process I used prior to posting.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

I respect your thought process, but I and most others completely disagree with what you did for the reasons already stated. I'm on a number of pretty big websites and I've never seen anyone give out that kind of exact information, including actual maps with kill sites like you did right out on a thread open for even nonmembers to see. I also disagree with your assessment about number of people that will use the information to their advantage and not be a detriment to persons that have that area picked out through a lot of hard work on their part. There are a lot of people that go a lot further now than you might think to do a hunt. I'll be 67 in a few weeks and I even still go back in 2-3 miles on a daily basis where we hunt deer and elk in Wyoming and have to backpack anything we shoot out to our truck. Anyway, it's your choice to leave it up or take it down since technically you're not violating any website rules, but IMHO your lack of courtesy to the other members that have agreed with us that it was wrong will probably be remembered by them if you ask for help in the future. Have a good day!!!

 

[cutback]

Please see my PM!

PM reponded.

 

[ivorytip]

one time at band camp..... ikeepitcold found a pretty sweet .300 and has a pretty pic dedicated to mm on another thread, with flowers and all. check it out

 

[Topgun 30-06]

one time at band camp..... Ikeepitcold found a pretty sweet .300 and has a pretty pic dedicated to mm on another thread, with flowers and all. Check it out

Huh?!!!!!!!!

 

[DEERSLAM]

I drew this tag for this year. I have the info. Now delete please!

Thanks Mike

 

[Umpqua Hunter]

I don't want to get into an argument over this. Here are my thoughts.

Post a thread titled very specifically for the area you are offering info for (just like you have done). Then just post something like "We had a very successful hunt in this unit in 2013. I am willing to share very detailed information with one hunter per year. Please feel free to send me a PM after you have drawn the tag." Maybe even post a pic of the bull.

I have given very specific info to one guy each year for several areas I have hunted. I spend many hours on the phone each year helping guys out on hunts I will never draw again. Often when talking to them I learn they have hunted a unit I am trying to draw, and mutual hunting connection has begun.

I think this approach accomplishes what you are hoping to do in this thread without making it open to everyone who surfs this site. I believe there are many many times more views of this site by non-members than there are by members. Most of those aren't here to give info, only to take.

I will say this is by far the most detailed info I have ever seen on an open public forum, that is the only reason I have asked for it to be modified.