Jacket wise the XL again is fitted, but when I asked the representative at Kuiu he told me that all the sizes are supposed to be work together for that particular system. If XL fits you in one item then you should order that size for every other item in that category (ie. shirt/jackets). For example I am getting prepared for late sept elk and went with a couple base layers and med weight jacket. I also got the down vest as a just in case. Tried everything on together and it's fitted..ie snug. It's supposed to be that way as its easier to move in and bow friendly. It goes against almost everything I learned growing up, layering the thickest stuff I could muster and still be cold. You have to trust the materials to do their job, and that's what you are paying for. Most of the items are super thin and material has some give to it, you have to get your hands on it to appreciate what I am saying. Just about every item of clothes I have is an XL except maybe some duck hunting jackets that I got a xxl for the added room for layering older clothing. IMO if you don't like the idea of athletic fit (snug) these probably aren't the best option for you.