Muleyslayer
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Jim Burnworth's long distance ram.
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Got a private message from Jimmy himself on facebook today wanting my phone number. He said he understands where I am coming from on some of my comments and want a chance to talk it out with me.
MT backcountry hunter
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I feel that long distance practice is great for making those closer shots seem alot easier. I will practice out to 100 yards but when the season rolls around I take those long distance pins off (I leave the 50 yarder on and closer). I feel after practicing at 100 yards in the summer a 50 yard shot looks alot closer.
HuntinMontucky
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Idabow
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Not a fan of Burnworth and all his canned hunts and long distance shooting/bragging, although I am a little suprised there was no mention of team FMP shooting 80+ yrds at animals with all this talk of long range archery shots and questional ethics.
The part that bothers me in all this is that people in the media likes Burnworth are influencing the youth who will grow up thinking this is OK. It also seems that one of these guys has to out-do the one before him. It worries me that this extreme distance crap will ultimately hurt hunters everywhere as BOHNTR stated. Money talks and the only way to stop this craziness is to not watch their shows or buy their products and denounce their actions whenever appropriate.
THEBUGLER
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No long range bow shots for me. And I don't approve of others taking those kinds of shots. Unethical.
wolftalonID
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I only hunt open country, and without a guide. I bring my game to the animals, and if they beat me at my own game, then I learn and go again. Its the challenge to hunt, not the ability to fling sticks that brings me back again and again.
In my very first year hunting with a bow, which really was only four seasons back, I remember one long shot. Keep in mind I have shot bows since I was six years old, but my father didnt hunt, so I never did either.
In my own range at home and in set up ranges in the woods, I have been known to hit targets out to 80 yards. I have tried farther ones but just never seem to connect. Partly because my sights are not set up past 70 and I am only guessing at hold over at that point.
50 yards my arrows are with in 4 inch groups. 60 yards, 2 out of 4 will be touching but the group is opening up. 70 yards all on a paper plate, so a kill on an elk for sure. In a hunting aspect, I get really uncomfortable if they are not within 40 or less yards.
In my first year, I tried a 72 yard broadside shot at a deer slightly up hill. The shot itself was seriously perfect. However at about 8 feet out from the impact the arrow did a 90 degree turn suddenly and stuck a doe in front of my target doe in the ass. She was wounded and ran off. I did try to follow her, but the country (Unit 39 in Idaho) was too steep for me to follow. Contrary to many that told me wounded animals always go down hill, this one did not , but could hobble up hill faster than I could run up to get closer, and she eventually snookered me. I left feeling like crap and later went back the next weekend with my wife to scour for my lost arrow.
I went back to the scene of the shot to find a lonely stick about the size of half my little finger sticking up right where my arrow had made that weird turn. It had a broadhead cut in it.
Needless to say, the shot was spot on, and so was a stick I could not see at that range through my peep. I knew then, that field variables were never worth the risk of terrorizing game animals, with shady shots.
One of the most awesome hunts I ever saw on video that helped me to understand the value in this decision was a hunt by William Primos. He let an elk walk at 4 yards while he was at full draw due to a branch between him and the elk. This bull elk was huge too. Right then, I knew he had character that would rival the best of them any day, and I have not forgotten that lesson in self control while in the field.
However you want to put it out there, there will always be those like me that like to fling sticks just for fun, and then there will be those that think its also fun to fling em out there at a live target just to see.
Character is something to learn, and to learn it well you need good role models!
Thanks Will for being a great role model.
Thanks Eastmans for putting out ethical educational magazines that bring up the hunters the right way!
In my very first year hunting with a bow, which really was only four seasons back, I remember one long shot. Keep in mind I have shot bows since I was six years old, but my father didnt hunt, so I never did either.
In my own range at home and in set up ranges in the woods, I have been known to hit targets out to 80 yards. I have tried farther ones but just never seem to connect. Partly because my sights are not set up past 70 and I am only guessing at hold over at that point.
50 yards my arrows are with in 4 inch groups. 60 yards, 2 out of 4 will be touching but the group is opening up. 70 yards all on a paper plate, so a kill on an elk for sure. In a hunting aspect, I get really uncomfortable if they are not within 40 or less yards.
In my first year, I tried a 72 yard broadside shot at a deer slightly up hill. The shot itself was seriously perfect. However at about 8 feet out from the impact the arrow did a 90 degree turn suddenly and stuck a doe in front of my target doe in the ass. She was wounded and ran off. I did try to follow her, but the country (Unit 39 in Idaho) was too steep for me to follow. Contrary to many that told me wounded animals always go down hill, this one did not , but could hobble up hill faster than I could run up to get closer, and she eventually snookered me. I left feeling like crap and later went back the next weekend with my wife to scour for my lost arrow.
I went back to the scene of the shot to find a lonely stick about the size of half my little finger sticking up right where my arrow had made that weird turn. It had a broadhead cut in it.
Needless to say, the shot was spot on, and so was a stick I could not see at that range through my peep. I knew then, that field variables were never worth the risk of terrorizing game animals, with shady shots.
One of the most awesome hunts I ever saw on video that helped me to understand the value in this decision was a hunt by William Primos. He let an elk walk at 4 yards while he was at full draw due to a branch between him and the elk. This bull elk was huge too. Right then, I knew he had character that would rival the best of them any day, and I have not forgotten that lesson in self control while in the field.
However you want to put it out there, there will always be those like me that like to fling sticks just for fun, and then there will be those that think its also fun to fling em out there at a live target just to see.
Character is something to learn, and to learn it well you need good role models!
Thanks Will for being a great role model.
Thanks Eastmans for putting out ethical educational magazines that bring up the hunters the right way!
elktracker
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Seems like most people on this forum are against taking long shots at animals, so I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on Cameron Hanes taking that long shot in NM on Elk Chronicles last weekend. They didn't give a yardage on the shot but you could tell it was long by the time it took the arrow to get there and the extreme arc of the arrow. He hit the elk but it was a bad shot and they didn't recover the bull until the next day. I know not every shot is going to be perfect and things happen, but like people have said on this thread showing long shots like that on TV only encourages hunters to follow suit.
I respect Cameron Hanes and think he is a good role model for bow hunters because he works so hard to prepare for his hunts (getting in shape and shooting) but I was disappointed to see him take a shot like that. Then the way they just ended the show after they recovered the bull with no discussion of the shot or the recovery makes me think they likely lost some meat on the elk. I wonder if the pressure of making a TV show influences hunters to take marginal shots they might pass up if they were just hunting out on their own.
I respect Cameron Hanes and think he is a good role model for bow hunters because he works so hard to prepare for his hunts (getting in shape and shooting) but I was disappointed to see him take a shot like that. Then the way they just ended the show after they recovered the bull with no discussion of the shot or the recovery makes me think they likely lost some meat on the elk. I wonder if the pressure of making a TV show influences hunters to take marginal shots they might pass up if they were just hunting out on their own.
arrowslinger21
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Well theres been a lot said on this topic, and honestly I haven't even read the entire thread but I have browsed quite a bit of it. As for Burnworth... I absolutely hate his show, and I will never watch it. I do not enjoy watching him in the least bit, and after watching a time in the past, I was sickened by a couple of things I saw on his show. As for long shots, I don't have a problem with them to a degree. If it is a shot the hunter feels that he or she can make every time, then that is their call and no one elses. Cameron Hanes who was just mentioned in the last post, shoots every single day of the year. I am sure that he is comfortable to let an arrow fly at a longer distance, because he shoots day in and day out, even after running marathons. He was the first one to have his name on a 7 pin sight for that matter from spot hogg, and for that reason I am sure that he is comfortable with shooting those longer distances. It is pretty simple in my mind, either you know you can make the shot 100% or you don't shoot it. I am willing to bet that many guys out west are willing to shoot 60 yards, and I know that I personally practice at 60 yards every time I shoot, which is nightly during the late spring all the way through the summer months. If it is past 60 for me, I am not currently comfortable taking the shot, that may change someday, but for now that is my longest range.
elktracker
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I am not questioning anyone's shooting ability, as I said in my comment on the 1st page of this thread, I can personally hit a target at 70 yards no problem. The problem is that animals aren't targets, the time it takes an arrow to get out to 70+ yards allows the animal to react to the shot or just move which can cause a miss or worse a bad shot which wounds an animal but isn't fatal. I think this is what happened to Cameron on the show I mentioned above, the elk moved before the arrow impacted, he probably made a good shot and was confident when he let it fly but you have to take into account that you are not shooting stationary targets at the range.
Even if you are shooting 350 fps, the sound of your shot will get to an animal 0.4 second faster than your arrow at 70 yards.
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MI-address-ROCKYMTN-heart
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I love this statement. For me the romance is in the hunt not the shot. To each his own; be safe, be ethical.
MT.MAN
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Ryan and Elktracker pretty much summed it up for me too. Zach you know that both you and I have a lot of the same thoughts on this show and subject.
bambam4019
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to all the Jim burnworth haters out there, have you ever met the guy? He is one hell of a person. He knows more about how to hunt then most of you combined. I guarantee every single one of you wouldn't say that garbage to his face. And just because he can make shots like those look easy doesn't mean that you all should hate on him for doing it. It's one thing if he wounded an animal because of this but both shots were perfect shots. It just proves you are all jealous and couldn't make a shot like this. If you wanna be that good then practice. Most archery shots should be under 50 yards but there are a few where if you are comfortable at that distance and you know without a doubt you can make thatshot then take it. You are all a bunch of haters who don't know what you are talking about. I guarantee he could line up with most of you and out shoot you with any weapon. He has been an amazing sportsman and worked very very hard to get where he is at today. It just completely proves how jealous you all are because you aren't able to accomplish something like this. And about the high fenced hunting he never high fence hunts he works his butt off to get any animal he takes. Guided or not he is a badass in the hunting industry and needs respect.
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wolftalonID
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MT.MAN
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Obviously BAMBAM4019 has never watched the show Jim Burnworth put's out called Western Extreme. I know for a fact as I have met the owner of the Ranch at a Sports Show that almost all of his Idaho elk hunts take place on Ken and Tammy Walters high fenced ranch out of Riggins, Idaho. As High Fence as High Fence gets! Nothing like shooting a glorified Heiffer from a pasture with a few pine tree's in the background for effect. I also saw an episode up in Canada that showed the website to the Ranch on the sign as they were pulling into the ranch. I went and looked at the website and YEP sure enough "High Fence". That was the last episode I ever watched of this "Fake Production". In fact I wrote 2 letters to BOWTECH telling them of my disgust with them sponsoring a "High Fence" show. I know of at least 8 people who also wrote to BOWTECH and got the same generic letter back from them.
bambam4019 are you serious or was this just a spam post to get people riled up? YOU SIR DO NOT HAVE A BACKBONE TO STAND ON NOW THAT YOU HAVE MADE THE "he never high fence hunts" statement as that is 100% FALSE!
I would gladly tell Mr. Jim to his face that I am ashamed at the "Falsehood" he promotes to our youth. The kids that watch outdoor T.V. need to know that most of his show is staged on farms. I know Zachbow and quite a few others on here would stand right beside me and say the same. DIY BABY DIY!!!
bambam4019 are you serious or was this just a spam post to get people riled up? YOU SIR DO NOT HAVE A BACKBONE TO STAND ON NOW THAT YOU HAVE MADE THE "he never high fence hunts" statement as that is 100% FALSE!
I would gladly tell Mr. Jim to his face that I am ashamed at the "Falsehood" he promotes to our youth. The kids that watch outdoor T.V. need to know that most of his show is staged on farms. I know Zachbow and quite a few others on here would stand right beside me and say the same. DIY BABY DIY!!!