Hunting terminology pet peeves

Brady

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I guided a TV show hunt for a show that is no longer on the air. What I found anoying was how the footage gets edited. During the hunt they filmed all of our discussions and the host kept repeating everything I was saying. When the show was aired it was edited to make it sound like everything we were doing was the hosts idea! I though he was just slow!

I though it would be cool when the outfitter told me who he booked but it was a royal PITA. The camera guys are the unsung heros of that business. I hiked those guys 10-12 miles a day at 10,000' and the camera crap weighed more than my pack.

From the guides perspective I think most of the shows have given hunters a false sense that every bull that hits the ground comes running to a bugle and scores 350. But no one would watch a show where people take there guns and bows for a hike, and they sure couldn't sell commercial time for all the gadets required to be successful now. Fred Bear killed dang near every animal that walks with a red flannel shirt on. And the first outfitter I worked for smoked 3 packs a day. When I asked him if he was afraid the elk would smell the smoke he said, "All ya gotta do is walk away from it, and you'll know you got the wind in your face boy." Not exactly healthy logic, or logic that sells scent lock, but its sound logic!
That's no lie about the hosts stealing your words/ideas. Paul Newsom did that to me 10 years ago when he still had his show, post Mossy Oak. I worked for Fair Game TV as a camera man in 2006. It was fun but tough work too. The antelope in my avatar was an episode of Fair Game that aired on Versus in 2009. I'm sure some of the most famous shows get some free hunts but in my experience, the best most shows get is a discount from an outfitter, still nice though. In TV hosts defense, the fastest way to shut someone up (guest hunter, guide, etc) is to stick a video camera in their face, works like clockwork! haha.
 

wapiti66

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I don't miss paying for cable after reading this thread, I mainly watched hunting shows but haven't had cable for a year and a half due to the things listed here. The list why most of these shows suck is a mile long. I don't blame them for trying, I'm just not interested in paying for that. They also give the antis ammo for their side of the debate when they go crazy over a kill. To end on a positive note...hats off to the Eastmans and a few others that do it right!
 

VTBwana

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Wow...reading this, it seems we all agree on this...So; why don't we see more realistic DIY shows? I basically pay for the Outdoor channel for Eastmans, Team Elk and On you own Adventures... the rest just suck. I can't understand how some folks 'farm' for deer; plantic Biologic this and Whitetail Clover that, sit in a blind on a crop field and not feel like they are shooting livestock!?! hell, they raised it just like a heifer.
On my terminology peeve: A Sabot is not a 'sa-Bot'..it is a 'Say-boh'. The word is french for shoe...and I have shot enough APFSDS-T 'Say-boh' from the M1A1 Abrahms tank to know how to pronounce it.
 

CrimsonArrow

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When "professionals" on tv use double negatives and say stuff like "ain't no way" or "thunder chicken". I feel like anything Ted Nugent or Michael Waddell's crew says gets pretty annoying, they are just being goofy trying to make someone laugh, begging for attention. Yeah it might be funny the first time, but that's it. Ha, good thread! This is why Eastman's and Jim Shockey are the best on TV!
Yeah, that's 'No Guff', Shockey seems like one of the good guys.
 

Elkoholic307

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Anything Latt Durrance or Dean Taylor say annoy the heck out of me. Also, the word 'harvest' drives me up a wall.

The only two shows that haven't annoyed me are Long Range Pursuit and On Your Own Adventures.
 

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Despite how much I like the guy I've got to throw Shockey under the bus on this one... "I trust my life to my Benjamin 3000 Air rifle and so can you!".................. Really? Trusting one's life to something is a pretty serious claim don't think I'd let my life hang in the balance on an air rifle/bow/clothing, etc. Just making money I know but still... pretty audacious.
 

ando_31

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Good thread. I agree with about 95 percent of what everyone else dislikes. Some tv hosts sell out and make ridiculous claims they know are false, and others just don't show any respect with how they speak about animals and hunting. I know this thread is about terminology but lets be honest, pretty much everything discussed in this thread started with tv hunting (or at least the first time I heard all of this terminology was on tv, maybe the hosts just picked it up from other people).
 

BKC

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Harvest.... You harvest row crops. You kill deer, turkeys, elk, etc..
When I was younger, I heard that this was the term to use so you didn't offend a non hunter, I used this instead of shot or killed. Now there are too damn many people to worry about offending so I just use kill, shoot, droped the hammer, etc..... As more time goes by, I find the anti's are becoming more of a thorn in my side
 
Great thread. I hope the TV folks are reading it.
I agree with most of what's been said. I've about quit watching the Outdoor channel's hunting shows, since they seem to be more about making "stars" of the "TV personalities" and marketing the "personalities" and sponsoring products than about hunting.
I'm tired of the artificial macho of the shows. Shows named "Bone Hunter", and such just tell me I don't want to watch.
One thing not yet mentioned that gets me is "mass". Often I see on the hunting shows a hunter will kill what to me looks like an average size deer or elk. As they walk up on it, usually for the third or fourth time to get good film, they say "look at the mass", as if that makes up for it being an average animal.
For that matter, all the scoring to me is pointless. So often TV hunters will be looking at an animal and say "it looks like about a 150, or 350 or whatever depending on species. When they kill one, they oooh and awww over the rack and points, but never mention how much it weighs. I hunt to put meat in the freezer, and could care less about the rack score. I've never found a good recipe for antlers.
I do enjoy Eastman's shows, Jim Shokey, and Solo Hunting Adventures, although they are clearly not hunting "solo" since there is a camera crew with them.
 
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"There's an elk on my buddies land that I call gay elk, he flat out will not respond to a cow call ever. He'll come into a bugle though and he only hangs out with other bulls"

I don't care who you are that is funny!
 
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jenbickel

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Great thread. I hope the TV folks are reading it.
I agree with most of what's been said. I've about quit watching the Outdoor channel's hunting shows, since they seem to be more about making "stars" of the "TV personalities" and marketing the "personalities" and sponsoring products than about hunting.
I'm tired of the artificial macho of the shows. Shows named "Bone Hunter", and such just tell me I don't want to watch.
One thing not yet mentioned that gets me is "mass". Often I see on the hunting shows a hunter will kill what to me looks like an average size deer or elk. As they walk up on it, usually for the third or fourth time to get good film, they say "look at the mass", as if that makes up for it being an average animal.
For that matter, all the scoring to me is pointless. So often TV hunters will be looking at an animal and say "it looks like about a 150, or 350 or whatever depending on species. When they kill one, they oooh and awww over the rack and points, but never mention how much it weighs. I hunt to put meat in the freezer, and could care less about the rack score. I've never found a good recipe for antlers.
I do enjoy Eastman's shows, Jim Shokey, and Solo Hunting Adventures, although they are clearly not hunting "solo" since there is a camera crew with them.
The deer I shot this year was the size of a cow. Lol when I picked up the meat from the meat plant, they said it was the biggest deer they had ever processed. I was very proud!! Lol. I agree that it's only ever about the rack in the shows. That's why I enjoy watching doe hunting as funny as it sounds because its all about the meat. Don't get me wrong, I love watching shows with huge bucks and bulls too but I get disgusted when a hunter walks up on the animal and is upset over his rack with it not being as big ad he thought or having a point broke off. The deer I shot this year I labeled a cull deer but it didn't make me any less happy about taking him. I had tried hard for a few years to get him and he was an old, smart deer. It was very rewarding to get him and he is by far my favorite deer I have has euro mounted.
The hunting show that I work for I am allowed to kind of do my own thing and so far I have enjoyed doing that. They are from Oklahoma so they are used to hunting from a tree stand. I take my camera and I go by myself. My footage may be a little shakey and not as professional looking but I want to show what it's actually like to hunt out west and not only the challenges we face but also the levels of frustration and everything. I just want it to be real.. Not sitting in a tree stand for 5 minutes and shooting a 200" deer that falls dead in its tracks with a bow.
 

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I have a friend in Kansas that owns a ranch that some tv guys wanted to lease for whitetail hunting. They leased it and started hunting it. Some big tv hunting names started hunting the ranch and filming. Now this ranch was covered up with big deer and you can but corn down (legal) by your stand to kinda help the big boys along.....EASY hunting but when you saw the show you would think these guys scouted, put in food plots, hung stands, patterned the deer, put in hundreds of hours , ect. ect. but all they did was have my friend put up a feeder under a stand and start filming without showing the corn. The ranch pretty much got shot out of big (160 plus) deer and the tv guys found another ranch in another county. Last year I hunted with my buddy at his ranch and a well known outdoor writer was there and he was hunting for free but he had to put an artical in a hunting mag. in exchange for being there.
 

HuskyMusky

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many non hunters will ask if I "caught anything" while hunting...

I can handle "harvest" but I don't "catch stuff" when I hunt...
 

ivorytip

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haha the " caught" comment allways has bugged me to. it doesnt even sound right. or when some one says.... i seen 5 deers???? i dont know why but that sounds wierd too. elks deers. sounds better to me as elk, deer.
 

sjsmallfield

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That's pretty funny. Just this morning a guy that lets me hunt his property asked if caught any deers. It drives me crazy. He asks me the same thing every time I stop at the house.
 

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I always go cross-eyed when someone writes.... "I was stocking this buck".

"Stocking" is something a woman wears on her feet and legs.

"Stalking" is when a hunter sneaks up on an animal to "harvest" it. :p
 

HuskyMusky

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how about people referring to elk as "stags"

I saw a stag when I was out west in Colorado... really? aren't stags in europe? haha.

or how about when people are clueless to what a deer is, vs. an elk, vs. a moose, vs a caribou...


I remember in college some girl at a party was like "oh oh look at the moose! on tv.... it was a caribou or elk... not a moose!

at least call it a reindeer... but don't call a caribou a moose or elk... lol.