How to : Mule Deer hunt?

tristan1127

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OK, I am not going to ask which zone, where is best, etc etc. I want to ask a genuine question that anybody with tips can answer if they choose to. I won't be shooting your deer so it shouldn't be a problem.
I've never hunted mule deer so I am looking for tips. I will be in a pre rut area but it will be gun hunting. I don't have the means to take off an additional week in the summer to pre scout across country. However we have two weeks to get it done once we get out there. The tips I have read so far are glass glass glass and do it from the highest spot available. We have a spotting scope and two pairs of mid-range 8x42 binocs for this purpose.

Does rattling ever work or is that whitetail only?
Do drives work (as a last day shot in the dark)?
Do the mule deer go completely nocturnal or do they have to get up and feed and get water?
If I choose an area with a forest of aspen trees, will they hang in the woods a lot and it become more of a still hunt?

There are a million questions but as I listen more and more to people's advice, I will form a couple of plans to try come later this year. Any tips are welcome
 

packmule

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Glass that high spot real good before going up there to glass. Find still water with decent cover kind of close to it with higher elevations. So much has to do with figuring out deer preferences once you get there and start finding numbers.

Don't rattle
There's no such thing as a nocturnal deer, they get up and browse during the day, you just have to be where they are.
Deer drives can work, but some luck needs to be involved..probably better off still hunting through timber.
If hunting solid quakies, glass openings in low light and you can hunt in it if you feel comfortable doing it when they head to shade.

There are a lot of ways to skin this cat.
 
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LaHunter

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Glassing from higher elevation is a good plan, especially at daybreak and last light.
Get familiar with your area with Google Earth and topo maps. Just remember, google earth will give you a false impression of the size and magnitude of the terrain.
If hunting public land with significant hunting pressure, this will have a big impact on animal daytime movement.
Stay out all day and still hunt edges during mid day.
Check out Mike Eastman's book and David Long's book, these were helpful to me when I was planning my first western hunt. Also, Robby Denning has a good mule deer hunting book out that has some good info.

Just research as much as you can and be as physically and mentally prepared as you can possibly be.

Good Luck
 

mallardsx2

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Having only hunted mule deer in a more desert setting on properties of 1000 or less acres the biggest thing that I can tell you if you decide to go that route is to have a lot of backup plans.

Trapsing all over a property in hopes of seeing a buck is about pointless. Youll run every deer off that property and never see them again. (Hard lesson learned only to watch them browse on the other side of a fence as safe as the POTUS)...

I like to:
-Get up early
-Check the wind
-Decide on a glassing location
-Go there in the dark
-Glass for a minimum of two hours
-Only move if I see nothing at all
-Only move if the wind is right
-Stay as scent free as possible
-Stay mobile
-If I see another hunter and he is going to get to where I think there is deer I move to where his actions may help me. (At this point a move is about all you can do)
-If I don't see any deer I typically don't go back (Meaning if im not seeing a couple deer I will not waste more of my trip on that area)
-If I see a deer I want to stalk I turn on the ninja mode. (Safari sneakers, Fleece gloves, hat, pants, jacket ect ect)
- Learn to effectively army crawl quietly.
-Learn to play the wind to your advantage.
-DOnt get discouraged
-Learn how to dress (Sitting glassing in a 40 MPH wind is a lot different than sneaking/still hunting.
-Always bring a windbreaker. ALWAYS (amazing how blocking that wind cana make good use of the clothes you are already wearing)


Keep in mind that I dont get time to pre-season scout. I only know what I know from my short experience of hunting mule deer and all of that has been with a muzzleloader and done 100% on public land.

I decided that mule deer are pretty easy to kill compared to a whitetail or an elk.

But if you bump them out of an area you are allowed to hunt it turns into a boring vacation of walking your gun....real fast.

I use 10X50 and 12X50 binoculars on a tripod. I could see the use of a spotting scope in certain environments for sure but not where I have hunted.

Most of all and this is important....

RESPECT THE GAME - (Waring...dont read any further if you are a "Long range hunter"

Dont take shots out of your league. Shooting 300 yards with a muzzleloader, shooting 700 yards with a rifle that you have not practiced with...ect ect...

Nothing pi$$es me off more that half of the youtube videos out there where people are taking IMHO VERY RISKY shots across canyon ect ect...(How in the heck can you possibly know whats going on with the wind at 700 + yards in the mountains???

That to me just shows a lack of respect for the game and for everyone else in the sport who is pursuing the same game. Firing at an animal out of your realm of comfort is purely GREED. Nothing more.
 
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Gr8bawana

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With 2 weeks for your hunt you might be ok. You didn't say what type of country you will be hunting but it doesn't matter that much.
You will have to find whatever water sources the deer are using. Could be a spring, a stream or even a stock tank. Obviously if there are deer using the area there will be tracks. Even if they are using a stream the deer usually have favorite places where they like to drink and the tracks will be concentrated there. Follow them backwards towards where they are coming from to get an idea of where they are bedding or feeding.
Once you know that you can find your high spot to start glassing from. As was already mentioned above get there in the dark. When glassing in the evening stay there until it gets dark. Many time I have spotted deer after legal shooting hours and once you know where they are coming from it's easier to make a plan to hunt them. I should tell you that glassing for hours and hours with bad binos will give you a headache so use the best binos you can afford.
NO RATTLING-I have heard of this working on mule deer but only if they are deep in the rut.
When I was a kid we used to do drives in a wash full of aspen trees and all the times we did this over probably 5 years the 3 shooters never got a shot. It's very hard to see enough of a deer running through the trees and even harder to see the difference between a small buck and a doe. The bigger bucks will not be with the does pre-rut.
Good luck on your hunt.
 

Hilltop

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Great points above. I'll share a little on deer drives for mature muleys. I have learned that mature mule deer do act a lot like a whitetail in a deer drive situation. They will double back more often than they will go the direction you are trying to push them. We usually will post a shooter in an opening at the end but we always have a shooter at the back where the drive started. This position has produced more opportunities than any other on drives. The shots typically aren't great and I really don't recommend the technique other than as a last resort.
 
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tttoadman

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Stay off the skyline at all costs.

Find the dinker bucks and the does that he is with. They will bust you if you get tunnel vision.

I agree with mallard to a point on the long shots. Low light conditions usually coincide with thermals and swirling winds. In the middle of the day you may have a bedded buck that already has you spotted at 600-800 yds. If the winds are calm, and the conditions are good, there is no reason a guy can't be proficient at that distance. It is always cooler to back out and sneak around on top of em, but to each his own.
 

tristan1127

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Packmule LaHunter mallardsx2 gr8bawana Never in Doubt Hilltop and Tttoadman thanks for these tips. I have checked out Eastman's books online and I will order one or more this spring / summer. I had no clue it was similar to deer hunting here with getting there before the sun comes up. The terrain is in Wyoming some area near mountains and the biologist mentioned sage fields and aspens. He said he could get us on some normal deer areas no problem. I have hardly any problem here in Maryland hunting whitetail, turkey, and sika deer with about 30 years carrying a gun or bow hunting experience. While mule deer hunting I doubt that we will be taking any shots over 300 yards as we never even have shots out to 100 here. I am currently practicing to 200 yards but finding places here in Maryland with longer ranges are nearly impossible. I like deer to die when I shoot them and I don't like spending hours on end tracking an animal so I say it's best to make the absolute best shot that you can. This is a whole new experience and will be very interesting. I like the offered tips and am welcome to any more people have. How about food. What do mule deer concentrate on besides farmer's fields? In the mountains or forests or sage areas.
 

Paradactal

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Get off the roads and away from other hunters if you can.
Great advice here!!

Few things to consider.
familiarize yourself with the process of breaking down an animal and getting it back to camp. It can be a bit daunting getting to your prize, at the bottom of a drainage or draw and saying to yourself, "Yikes! How am I gonna get this guy out??" The gutless method is your friend. With 30yrs experience Im sure your no stranger with a skinning blade, but it can be a different challenge on the side of steep ridge.
I like North Facing slopes, Bowls, draws, sage and quakies. That will get me in the vicinity on Google Earth of what looks Bucky. Glass, Glass, Glass. I carry a 10s and 15s on a tripod. Love my tripod!! Play the wind. Get familiar with thermals. Be in shape!!! High Elevation hunts are no joke! At the very least hit the stair stepper for 6 months out. Yada yada yada, just go have a good time!! The amount of experience you will gain for next time will be huge!! Also, youtube can be very helpful. If I know a new area Ill be hunting, chances are there are backpacking videos or previous hunts in that area you can kind of get a lay of the land.
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wy-tex

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Not always , but most times mule deer will stop after spooked for one last look. Don't rush the shot. Advice above is great stuff. Learn your hunting area and you might be surprised at the bedded bucks you can spot during late morning and midday.
 

xtreme

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Good thread. Lots of good stuff. When you find a bedded buck go slow there are usually satellite/lookouts protecting the bigger buck, try to find them all before move in
 

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I'll add that mental toughness cannot be overrated. You will get exhausted and probably discouraged and at times feel like you have no idea what you are doing and what the deer are doing. Sometimes they just vanish, but they are still around. Just keep going. Enjoy the process, it's not easy but it IS rewarding.

Find places you can pick apart the countryside with your optics. You'll see more bucks by letting your eyes do the walking.

The fondest memories you could take home are often times how beautiful the scenery was, the crisp mornings, the smell of the sage, and if all goes well you'll bring a nice buck home too. Don't bring home regrets about wishing you hunted harder. Hunt hard and if you don't get the results you want, at least you won't lay awake at night dreaming of what could have been.
 

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Be prepared to go for long stretches without killing a buck. The guys who seem to get it done every year are often freaks of nature and not the norm. Not giving up on the dream is a huge part of the battle.


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packmule

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Mental toughness is definitely a big one, NID. You have to trust in what you know and keep at it. The physical part of anything never bothers me. I can go on minimal sleep, minimal food and push through body aches, but racing against a clock that's an end date for a season is grueling when things aren't going well. There's only so much time in a day and you can only be one place at a time in those minutes of low light.
 

mcseal2

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Great thread, I'm learning. Thanks everyone.

I'm no expert muley hunter. I've had 4 muley tags in my life. The biggest I took was on a guided hunt and I'll probably never top him. It was a great hunt with great people, but I'm proudest of the one I got DIY last year on public ground.

Here are a few tips I put in my personal tips list built from what I read and the journals of my past hunts:

Always look at what other hunters are doing if there are others around. Look at what type of terrain they hunt, they may know something you don't. Also keep an eye on what country they DON'T hunt. You may find something everyone else is overlooking. The more pressure there is the more this matters. My best buck came from a remote corner of the ranch I was on where nobody hunted much. It was some of the poorest deer country on the ranch but it had enough of everything to keep a buck alive and nobody bothered him there. My best whitetail taught me this lesson 10 years earlier, works for both.

Deer avoid pressure. If you are a rifle hunter learn how much bow hunting pressure the area has seen before your season starts. Think about where you'd go to avoid pressure if you were a deer who'd had bow hunters after him for a month.

Use maps before scouting trips to find areas you are interested in. Then scout and cover ground with feet, wheels, or glass. During the middle of the day I like to spend a lot of time learning country and eliminating areas. Keep notes, mark maps, put stuff in the GPS, do whatever system of record keeping works for you. I like to drive and glass first, walk and glass second just to see more country and use my time as wisely as possible if the area allows it.

Take a rangefinder with angle compensation. Use said rangefinder. I bought rangefinding binos and they are the best hunting purchase I've ever made.

Take a GPS with land ownership marked on it, or a cell phone with ONX Maps in addition to paper maps. Combined they will do as much as it is possible to do to keep you on the right property. Hunters who wing it will give everyone a bad name. I once ended up deep into private property on my first CO elk hunt. I'd talked to the warden for the area and he said there was a fence around the private so it was easy to stay off. I found the fence on my walk back out, it was up for a few hundred yards and then gone for a few hundred. I'd never seen a post or wire on my way in. Technology today can prevent mistakes like this. Carry extra batteries or a charger pack too! I like to have lithium AA batteries in my headlamp, GPS, and camera so I can rob one to make another work.

This is one I've read from Mike Eastman and other great muley hunters. Find places where you can hunt mule deer. If you save points for years to go on one special hunt but have no idea how to hunt muleys once you get there it likely will fail to live up to expectations. I'd much rather find units I can hunt somewhat regularly and learn the country. I feel I have a better chance to take a great buck in decent country I know than in great country I don't. If I do draw that special tag someday I'll have a better idea of how to utilize it best by being more experienced at hunting muleys.

Put in as many hours as you can if you are trophy hunting. That means both scouting and hunting. Look at ways to make yourself more efficient in your use of time. Trophy muley hunting means being in your hunting spot really early and staying late. Getting to and from these areas takes time and being inefficient costs you time. Getting to and from spots, food, planning, all these things take time and if you aren't careful you start cutting into sleep hours getting everything else done. Without sleep you get fatigued and sloppy and these things can absolutely cost you a buck because you cut corners. Don't push so hard it isn't fun but at the same time don't go home wishing you'd tried harder. Resting and hunting can be combined successfully at times. One of the best muley books I read says most of the giant muleys shot today are killed as they slip away from hunters. Their focus is on one hunter and may offer another hunter an opportunity.
 

Tim McCoy

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Some great advice here. Not much I can add, but I'll offer a couple thoughts. As far as shooting range, if you are doing well at 200, you will be fine to 300, if you can get a solid rest. If the shooting range allows, try shooting off your backpack prone, off a bi-pod, off your optics tripod, etc.

Secondly, as far as what they feed on, it will vary by area and time of year. They browse and love branch/shrub tips n twigs, forbes, most new growth... A call to the biologist of your preferred area is a good start. What has helped me is once I see deer, I look at the habitat, if I see deer a few more times in the same habitat/elevation/etc. I begin to look for more similar habitat and often find deer.

Have a fun and safe hunt!
 

nmmuledeerhunter

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I grew up hunting muleys in PJ country in Central New Mexico and I really can't add anything that hasn't been mentioned. But I will share my favorite hunting experience so as to emphasize that the experience of the hunt is the most important thing. I was lucky enough to hunt Western Wyoming on a high mountain Mule Deer hunt in 2010. I saw some muleys that ranged from 160" to 180", saw elk everyday, black bears three days out of seven, rode horses (a critter I love almost as much as hunting) up the mountains well before sunrise and down the mountains well after sunset. We glassed until our eyes were tired and then glassed some more. Enjoyed meals that were made all the better by the experience itself. I came close to killing a muley over 175" but it didn't workout. (Darn wind) I would do it again and walk away empty handed because I enjoyed the hunt more that the kill and because I stuck to my goal of no deer under 175". Best of luck on all your muley hunts.