How to get off the 160" class treadmill??

gonhunting247

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A lot of great points made already.
This technique probably isn't for everyone, but it is a great compromise and I sure like it: Rather than wait for great tags, only to get to hunt an area once in a decade or more, I go with hunting easier to draw units that I can hunt more often. Once I decide on which units in each state these are, I then pick the best dates combined with the method of hunting that corresponds with those dates. Whether it be Bow, MZ or Rifle. I figure the more I'm out actually hunting in areas where these big ones live the better odds I have. In theory all the experience and interaction should make me a better hunter along the way, helping me capitalize on the few opportunities I get. I try to adjust my expectations to a realistic level for the area I'm hunting, as to not get frustrated. "Meaning I like to fill my tags and I love deer meat, so I have no problem shooting a 140-160 inch buck(or smaller:eek:) if I want too! (After all with this method I'll be back soon!) But, if my research and experience leads me to think I should hold out based on the situation; weather, dates, pressure, moon phase etc. I'll do it." I'm definitely not the best trophy hunter and I don't judge a deer by what it will score, I shoot the buck that feels right at the time. I have to admit sometimes they do shrink a little with this method, at least in my case:), but I have been blessed with a few of that next level bucks over the years.
Some other things I consider are whether disease or a bad winter has affected a certain age class or ; whats the range condition this year, length of season or even personal time constraints. All these things are factored in to what deer I decide to pull the trigger on in a certain year or area. I admit sometimes I just blow it and get an itchy finger:eek:, but after all these years I've learned to grin and just be happy I'm out hunting, while looking forward to the next chance at that big ole bruiser.
I guess in IMO, that if a guy like UH, who is a skilled hunter, gives himself the most opportunities, by being in the field as often as possible, uses the style of hunting that fits the situation and holds out to the potential of the area, it's only a matter of time.
Good luck, I bet now that your concentrating on it, you'll be sitting behind that big ole Muley your after real soon.

The same goes for Big Blacktails for me too, except I think that if you can hold out, Knowing the area, as well as the deer in that area inside and out, is by far the most important factor to connecting with the old guys!
 
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RICMIC

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I've been following all this, and and am in the same boat as UH. The best solution for me would be to simply move to Wyoming, hunt it as a resident, buy points and hunt the other states when drawn, and most importantly, just once, get really really lucky. I met a first time mule deer hunter from Texas who shot a 209" non-typical in the fog, at first light, on opening morning. I held the rack in my own hands, and if everyone around me wasn't armed to the teeth, I might have tried to run off with it. Now there was a lucky B@$%*&!
 

laxwyo

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I feel your pain umpqua! I too feel like I'm bitten although I'm hunting mostly Wyoming. I pack up into and area that's loaded with bucks and no big ones. Guess I'll just keep going up there and learn it even better. There has to be a nook I'm not finding.

I second the archery hunting. One low country spot where I found a very big typical Buck is almost garbage during the rifle hunt but we've been on some decent bucks with a bow. Another group of hunters keeps messing up our opening day rifle plans and then the bucks are gone.
 

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I love To follow Robby Denning at Rokslide. Just came across a couple of podcasts he did at Exo mountain gear's website. 2 hours of very useful info


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Montana

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Do you have a link to those MOHunter?
UH... maybe the best way is to start a new threat title "160+ Buck Pics". Another forum has something similar and let me tell you. It's humbling yet inspirational.

You could just print the pictures and put them in your pocket :) On my Mt. Goat tag last year I taped a small note on my scope that said "once in a lifetime". I had to remove it to shoot/see through my scope.
 

gonhunting247

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On my Mt. Goat tag last year I taped a small note on my scope that said "once in a lifetime". I had to remove it to shoot/see through my scope.[/QUOTE]

MONTANA, My Mt.Goat hunt wasn't a OIL, but I sure should have used your technique to keep me off the trigger! :)
 

JPSeveland

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Give your shells to your buddy in my case this next year there going to be with who ever i hunt with. I get to excited exspecially after 3-5 days of only seeing dink bucks and a 140-160 steps out and im blazing away. This year the same thing happened to me i shot a little 150 class buck two days later i glassed up a 185 that i went a and found a friend and took him in there and got the job done. Take your time and eat a few tag sandwichs if needed if we keep shooting those 160s they wont ever be 180 class bucks. and yes i am preaching to my self.
 

Montana

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On my Mt. Goat tag last year I taped a small note on my scope that said "once in a lifetime". I had to remove it to shoot/see through my scope.
MONTANA, My Mt.Goat hunt wasn't a OIL, but I sure should have used your technique to keep me off the trigger! :)[/QUOTE]

I guess mine wasn't technically OIL but with the way draw odds are I pretty much considered it to be. Did you do a write up on it? I love hearing goat stories.
 

mallardsx2

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Pick yourself up a copy of Public Land Mulies written by David Long..(Fantastic book BTW)

He goes over the statistics of actually seeing those 200" deer.

NOW...THAT SIR, IS HUMBLING....
 

ivorytip

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Pick yourself up a copy of Public Land Mulies written by David Long..(Fantastic book BTW)

He goes over the statistics of actually seeing those 200" deer.

NOW...THAT SIR, IS HUMBLING....
classic book, whatever happened with David Long? I know at some point he was going to start a gear business but nothing came of it. he's no longer with Eastman's is he?
 

packmule

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There's a saying here about consistently killing quality animals...... "location, location, location."
 

lostinOregon

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UH

10 years ago I turned 40 and was not very happy with what I had accomplished mule deer hunting even though they are my favorite animal to hunt. I was hunting antelope, elk, deer anywhere and everywhere and had a pile of mule deer horns but felt that I was not where I wanted to be. I made a 10 year plan that I just finished. My ten year plan meant that I was going to prioritizing mule deer hunts over all other hunts. I had just hunted CO mule deer for the first time and realized I was missing out. My plan was to prioritize CO deer every year and commit time to hunt the entire season and a few days before. With the 9 day season in CO I was committing to 2 weeks cutting down on other opportunities. MY CO commitment served me well during he 10 years but other options like NV, UT and WY only gave me one extra tag in that 10 year period. I also studied and talked to guys that do kill big deer every year. They are a true 1 percent and I found that they were doing a couple things I wasn't. First was the investment of time on one tag. 2nd is glassing all day long and staying positive for a 2 week period and third was hunting the entire unit if you are not finding what you are looking for. You are committed to seeing the same deer if you hunt the exact same place over and over and results are likely not to vary much. During that 10 years I realized how quickly something could change like CO mule deer hunting did. The first year I saw it was 2007 but most talk about the winter of 2008. I also added an OR deer lease which might not seem significant, but the opportunities for big deer have exceeding my expectations. I traded in my annual MT deer hunt for the new Oregon time. MT was a 20 year habit but bad winters, excessive tags and the genetics of he deer didn't fit my adjusted goals.

So I just turned 50 and committed to another 10 year plan. I will continue my OR lease, replace yearly CO mule deer with a new commitment to Alberta due to superior quality and CO has flat lined on the western slopes on deer. I can't explain why mild winters, same tag numbers and the deer have just not rebounded there as they should have. CO is still a top choice but has moved down my big board as of now. I will strategically hunt CO during the 10 year plan with muzzy hunts and 2nd season tags. I will however play closer attention to trends and if I see a downturn somewhere I will not wait to change my plans. I hunted MT and CO when it was clear the game had changed and I had not. CO vouchers have the ability to expand opportunities and there are still good deals out there if you network. I have several landowners building points for vouchers that I will use when conditions are right.

And lastly find guys just like you and begin sharing information confidentially. I have about a dozen contacts who think and hunt like I do. These guys are invaluable information and I literally have on the ground reports from all the spots I need it from. I make my plans early and based on sure tags. NV, UT and WY are not spots I can plan around and have continued success. I have my thoughts on WY mule deer and region G tags are going to continue to climb in points required as the LE hunts are rough right now. I could go on and on for hours about what I believe the future of mule deer hunting out west is going to be and the future is not bright. Now is the time to get your plan and prioritize what your doing to change the outcome. Only you know if that is right for you.

Good luck,

Rich
 
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mallardsx2

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Thats some Great information. Thanks for sharing.

Sounds to me like they need to stop shooting the does in the western states if the Mule deer are in the peril that everyone says they are in.

Perhaps some better antler restrictions would help matters?
 

Ikeepitcold

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For me it's always been lots and lots of scouting in the same area year after year. I'm in the same boat but with the 170" class. Not a slouch in my book and I'm very happy with all that are hanging proud on my walls. I have seen many 180-200" bucks in the area I hunt but they have continued to give me the slip.

I'm a gun Hunter but am pretty sure for deer at least I'm going for archery for now on. They are so much easier to pattern when they are still in the velvet during archery it truly think it will up my chances. When these deer where I hunt rub their velvet off they go nocturnal and it is a real challenge to find them.

For me it's been put in the extra effort and be in the hills as much as possible, year after year to learn where these 180"+ bucks go when the Velvet is shed. It's taken me 4 years to finally get them figured out and last Oct. I had my wife on a non typical 185" I've been watching for the passed 3 years. He bedded down early before the sun was up and stayed in his bed without standing up for a stretch for 7 hours. We got into position 250 yards from him and sat on him for 5 of those 7 hours. It was getting dark so we had to try and make something happen. Needless to say we blew him out of his bed, he stopped at 250 yards but the wife couldn't find him in her scope. He ran off to see another day.

Hunting big old deer is not the same as hunting young deer. It takes a lot of hard work to continue to kill trophy bucks each year.

1. Hunt the same area year after year
2. Scout
3.Scout
4. Always Scout

Good luck UH