Grim Odds.

JimP

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If you look at any non residents odds in any state and most of them are so far out there that you need to be a young man to start putting in.

However, Utah works on bonus points and not preference points in the LE and OIL hunts. Plus if there are more than just 1 tag offered 50% go to the top holders and 50% goes to a general draw. Every year people with a lot fewer than max points draw out on these hunts. I know a person who drew a LE deer tag with only 5 points where even residents need 10+ to draw generally.
 
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mallardsx2

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Dang, thats good to know. I have been building points for several years there just waiting on the right time to apply. I'm one of those guys...I know. lol
 
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I noticed today that Utah is making some changes. Especially some changes dealing with prefrence points. I wish Colorado would impliment some of these changes...
 

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Go to page 153 for explanations.

Finally a fair system. If you get a tag, you loose your points. I like it! It will be great for us people who only want to hunt there a few times in our lifetime. It will reduce point holders in waves if they are wanting to hunt but I worry what kind of wave it will create in other states.

Will be interesting to see the draw results this 2020 season.
 
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JimP

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The nice thing about Colorado's points is that there are only animal specific points. Elk points are just elk points, bull or cow they are the same points.

Utah on the other hand has both bonus points and preference points. Cow tags are separate from bull tags and doe points are separate from buck points

In Colorado if you want to use your 20 elk points on a cow instead of a bull then go ahead. In Utah you can have 20 bull points and 20 cow points.

I would much prefer Colorado's point system over Utah's any day of the week for parity to all those putting in for tags

Also on another forum it's being debated on just how the draw and tags are going to be affected.

I'm waiting until the regs actually come out to read the changes to see just what they are
 

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Utah has points for everything that involves a draw. Most of the points are bonus points where there are a few that have preference points.

I have always said that a person needs a lawyer in the family to explain all of the draws in the western states.
 

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Wyoming is similar for NRs. There is a points pool where top point holders win a majority of tags. If you don't draw in the pool, you get kicked out to a random draw where points don't matter. If you draw, you lose your points in either pool.
 
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JimP

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Utah is setting it to where if you purchase a OTC tag for what a draw was involved then you loose them.

Lets take archery buck deer for a example. There are a couple of units in Utah that always have left over tags after the draw, this is because the units are mostly private and getting access is quite hard. So hunter Tom put in for a unit that he know that he can't draw. The drawing is held and he gets a preference point. He then goes down and purchases a left over archery tag for one of the units that have left over tags. He then doesn't hunt the unit on the tag but does hunt the extended deer hunt in Utah which is along the foothills from Provo north to Bountiful (I believe). This way he doesn't have to spend his points on a unit that has leftover, gets a preference point and still is able to purchase a tag for a draw unit and then hunts a couple other units. All this was perfectly legal.

Now what the new regulations do is that when he goes and buys the tag so that he can hunt the extended units he looses all his points for the general deer seasons, be it archery, rifle, or muzzle loader. Same with doe deer, cow elk, pronghorn, and any other game animal that you have to put in for a draw for. It is my understanding that you only loose the points for the game animal that you put in for. But that it my interpretation it may be different.

Now for tags that do not require a draw like spike elk, or any bull elk it does not affect because they are only available over the counter and have no points either bonus or preference associated with them.

Confused now?????????????????????
 

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I understood it that also if you drew an OTC tag you lost your points for that species as well. But I may have taken that out of context as there is a lot of reading there.

I'll wait to see the regulations when they come out as well to make sense of it all I guess. It will be several years before I try to draw into Utah anyhow.
 
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JimP

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Unless the OTC tag has a draw involved it doesn't come into play. Only if that tag was involved in a draw before it went to OTC.

The only big game tag that is over the counter in Utah are archery elk, spike elk, and any bull elk tags, and they have caps. Everything else is through the draw.