Elk OTC Rifle Tactics Questions

Predatore

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Good morning everyone,

As the hunting seasons quickly approach, I find my level of anticipation growing at a fast pace, but also my confusion about how to approach the hunting itself. I'm wondering if those of you with some high country Elk OTC 2nd/3rd rifle experience (preferably units 36/361) could give me a better idea of what sort of tactics have helped you become successful in the past. I think this could also help others out who look at the success rates and wonder how they're going to get 'er done.

To give you a better idea of what I'm dealing with, I will be hunting with my wife in units 361 and/or 36, likely around 10,000' in the more dense habitat that doesn't allow for much glassing. I have scouted these units about 4-5 times this year, driving almost every FS road and hiking into a bunch of random roadless areas. I have turned up only 1 cow elk, and a number of deer, along with some good elk sign (mostly late summer). An acquaintance has shot a number of elk near where I'm hunting, hence my interest in those particular units (he's old and in no hurry to find elk though). I'll be going out again this weekend again to check on animal movement, hunter density, sign, etc and to pick out where I want to be opening day. We have 2-3 locations in mind, all around 10k feet, and 2 lower locations around 8-9k for if the weather gets bad and the elk move. We are pretty successful AZ hunters, but this will be our first CO hunting season.

The questions I have in mind are as follows. Do you find that elk are mostly moving around, without much pattern? Do you base your hunt decisions off of only really fresh sign, what you saw 2 months ago, or is year-old sign OK? If you don't find elk or fresh elk sign in an area after 1 day, do you move to an entirely different area hoping to catch them? Do you think on average that the elk are in large herds, rather than a bunch of small herds? Do you think that a person who is good at still hunting (AZ) will have a decent shot at still hunting the thick spruce/douglas fir/lodgepole forests of CO high country?

Thanks for all of your help, and good luck to you all!
 

Slugz

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All good points you bring up. IMO though pressure trumps all. They are gonna go where they are not pressured that has feed and water close. I've been glassing for the past 5 days in NW Colorado and pressure is what's gonna drive my opening morning plan. Now you can also use the pressure to push them to you. Lastly, if you are horn hunting the bulls will be in their hidey holes putting on the feedbag. My technique is to cover ground with the glass. Only sign that is good is if you are seeing them standing in the tracks. When not pressured I see them in a 4 day pattern of movement that is consistent as long as the weather and pressure is consistent. 2nd season depending on weather will have them in medium size 12-25 size cow herds mixed with spikes. Hope that helps.
 

Hilltop

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I agree with Slugz- Pressure trumps everything by a long shot. I have seen elk migrate to low elevations when its 75 degrees and dry or go to high elevations when there is 2 feet of snow- all to avoid pressure. My best advice I can offer is to try to use predicted hunter pressure to move elk to you. If you can find escape routes from a certain drainage or area, get there very early and undetected so that other hunters push elk to you. I have killed a number of elk using this technique.
 

ElkTrout

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Both great points from Slugz and Hilltop! Pressure is king! They will go where the hunters aren't. Which may mean they are in an area where they weren't during your scouting trips. If you are willing to put on the miles and go into the deep nasty places where others won't go, you should increase your odds significantly! But also don't be in a hurry! Still hunt into an area very, very slowly! I have jumped numerous elk in areas where I didn't expect on my way to an area I really anticipated seeing them in! Best of luck!


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Predatore

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Thanks for the info guys. I have always gravitated to the areas off the beaten path, but it's clear from your responses that those places are a must for the elk hunting around here.

This past weekend I took note of exactly where (and when) each vehicle was parked, where I saw the hunters, and where the gunshots originated from. Based on the hunting pressure, the fresh sign I found, and the hiking trails, I've decided on my spot for opening day. I didn't hike through the center of my place of interest, but fortunately found good sign around the perimeter of it- about 1.5-2 miles from the road. This "lower" section consists mainly of aspens (with crunchy leaves), and is at about 9,500'. If my wife shoots an elk, I'm planning on it taking us 3 trips to get it out, and we'll be packing it downhill through this lower section (if all goes as planned). My last bull (small 6 point) required 5 heavy loads which I estimated about 350-400 lbs including the head.

One thing I did learn, is that there was a lot of of hunting pressure inside of the remote wilderness area, more so than this little area I like right off the main road. Perhaps people just look to wilderness areas thinking they'll get away from the people, when in fact all of the people like them go to the same spot. This wilderness trailhead was also packed with hunters during the muzzeloader/archery/wilderness deer/etc hunts earlier in Sept. I hiked about 5 miles in there yesterday and found some amazing elk country, but I'm thinking my #1 area will treat me just as well.
 

Gr8bawana

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Finding pressured elk does not always mean miles from the truck. Steep,nasty,rugged country that others don't want to pack an elk from almost always holds elk.
 
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B&C Blacktails

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Thanks for the info guys. I have always gravitated to the areas off the beaten path, but it's clear from your responses that those places are a must for the elk hunting around here.

This past weekend I took note of exactly where (and when) each vehicle was parked, where I saw the hunters, and where the gunshots originated from. Based on the hunting pressure, the fresh sign I found, and the hiking trails, I've decided on my spot for opening day. I didn't hike through the center of my place of interest, but fortunately found good sign around the perimeter of it- about 1.5-2 miles from the road. This "lower" section consists mainly of aspens (with crunchy leaves), and is at about 9,500'. If my wife shoots an elk, I'm planning on it taking us 3 trips to get it out, and we'll be packing it downhill through this lower section (if all goes as planned). My last bull (small 6 point) required 5 heavy loads which I estimated about 350-400 lbs including the head.

One thing I did learn, is that there was a lot of of hunting pressure inside of the remote wilderness area, more so than this little area I like right off the main road. Perhaps people just look to wilderness areas thinking they'll get away from the people, when in fact all of the people like them go to the same spot. This wilderness trailhead was also packed with hunters during the muzzeloader/archery/wilderness deer/etc hunts earlier in Sept. I hiked about 5 miles in there yesterday and found some amazing elk country, but I'm thinking my #1 area will treat me just as well.
That is solid advice. I use that technique all the time
 

Predatore

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My wife put down her first bull! Day 2 of the hunt we decided to still hunt the thick aspen forest around 9300' and walked right up to this bull within 50 yards, around 4pm. Buck fever hit her hard, but she was able to take a nice shot off a monopod just as he was walking away from a patch of green grass. We were about 2 miles from the car in some pretty rugged terrain, and finally got back to the truck around 11:30 pm with the first load of meat and head (everything took longer than expected). We ate dinner after midnight, got to bed at 1 am, and retrieved the rest of the meat yesterday morning. It was a helluva hunt, very difficult, and very rewarding. I was impressed with my wife's determination and her ability to carry a 75 lb pack, more than she's ever attempted. We dropped the meat off at R+C Processing in Fort Collins, as well as the head for a european mount. The freezer is officially full, and now I can look ahead to my 3rd season deer hunt.
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Slugz

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My wife put down her first bull! Day 2 of the hunt we decided to still hunt the thick aspen forest around 9300' and walked right up to this bull within 50 yards, around 4pm. Buck fever hit her hard, but she was able to take a nice shot off a monopod just as he was walking away from a patch of green grass. We were about 2 miles from the car in some pretty rugged terrain, and finally got back to the truck around 11:30 pm with the first load of meat and head (everything took longer than expected). We ate dinner after midnight, got to bed at 1 am, and retrieved the rest of the meat yesterday morning. It was a helluva hunt, very difficult, and very rewarding. I was impressed with my wife's determination and her ability to carry a 75 lb pack, more than she's ever attempted. We dropped the meat off at R+C Processing in Fort Collins, as well as the head for a european mount. The freezer is officially full, and now I can look ahead to my 3rd season deer hunt.
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Awesome! Nice job!!