Donald Trump Jr. on Jay Scott podcast

xtreme

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I have already voted for Trump. He is our only chance and the boys are an added benefit. Hopefully, some common sense will prevail. I can't see Mr. Trump will allow the wolf and grizzly lovers to govern, but who knows, I just feel that anyone else is only more of the same.
 

TimberJunkie

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A vote for trump is a vote hitler. Adolf Hitler was exactly like trump, from big money, he would say anything, he was different and not a politician....didn't work out so well. Not that I am saying that would happen again, but from a land manager stand point, he is an awful option. Just saying. Please read the facts and don't be snowed over by the hype. There are much better options out there, please just be sure of your vote and read all the facts. I respect anyone who votes, as long as they are educated on all the candidates and the real facts, not the rhetorical, hypocritical garbage that comes from theIraq mouth. That's all I'm saying on this topic, let's do some hunting.
 

shootbrownelk

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A vote for trump is a vote hitler. Adolf Hitler was exactly like trump, from big money, he would say anything, he was different and not a politician....didn't work out so well. Not that I am saying that would happen again, but from a land manager stand point, he is an awful option. Just saying. Please read the facts and don't be snowed over by the hype. There are much better options out there, please just be sure of your vote and read all the facts. I respect anyone who votes, as long as they are educated on all the candidates and the real facts, not the rhetorical, hypocritical garbage that comes from theIraq mouth. That's all I'm saying on this topic, let's do some hunting.
I certainly don't agree with you on your Trump/Hitler comparison. And if you think any of the candidates running are experts at land management like you claim to be...you're in for a real rude awakening. Presidential races are all about bullshit/half truths and lies, that's the way it is. Where does one get all the "Facts" anyway? I must have missed that.
 

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Trump/Hitler. Come on, really. You've been watching to much MSNBC. So then, is "The Art of the Deal" actually "Mein Kamph". We can have fun with politics and politicians and everybody has a right to their opinion, but lets stay in the real world.
 

Dark Mavis

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I've enjoyed watching the most LUXURIOUS presidential bid ever. He is gonna be HUUUUUGE for America. I'm extremely tired of sending career politicians to Washington.
 

highplainsdrifter

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A vote for trump is a vote hitler. Adolf Hitler was exactly like trump, from big money, he would say anything, he was different and not a politician....didn't work out so well. Not that I am saying that would happen again, but from a land manager stand point, he is an awful option. Just saying. Please read the facts and don't be snowed over by the hype. There are much better options out there, please just be sure of your vote and read all the facts. I respect anyone who votes, as long as they are educated on all the candidates and the real facts, not the rhetorical, hypocritical garbage that comes from theIraq mouth. That's all I'm saying on this topic, let's do some hunting.
So who do you recommend, and why?
 

packmule

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So who do you recommend, and why?
None of them actually seem conservative, so can we get a do-over :D

Honestly, I don't think it matters, when you have to appeal to moderates, slightly left leaning, BSC far right to form a majority then the problem is more with society than politics.
 

TimberJunkie

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I have no suggestion yet, I have been reading past reform and going through past congressional sittings to see what the candidates have accomplished and what their priorities have been. Honestly Bernie Sanders has the most history, but he is really old and been in politics a long time, trump has no history of political wins or losses, makes it hard to understand where he is coming from, Cruz has been involved with some good and bad environmental orders and laws, but the bad doesn't seem to be his fault, many of the natural resource base laws are attached to major bills as riders and often aren't wanted by the majority of congress, but they happen because they are attached to a high priority budget Bill or school and health care reform. The history of what a candidate has achieved and fought for in their careers really speaks true to their priorities and is the only fact based truths I can go with. At this point there is only one candidate I cannot support at all, and her name rhymes with Billery....

I am on the fence politically, I try to understand all sides and sort through the BS, which is a daunting task, especially I ally this year...ugghhh. but in the end I focus on the biggest issues that are important to me and my family, which often have nothing to do with natural resource or wildlife.
 

highplainsdrifter

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I have no suggestion yet, I have been reading past reform and going through past congressional sittings to see what the candidates have accomplished and what their priorities have been. Honestly Bernie Sanders has the most history, but he is really old and been in politics a long time, trump has no history of political wins or losses, makes it hard to understand where he is coming from, Cruz has been involved with some good and bad environmental orders and laws, but the bad doesn't seem to be his fault, many of the natural resource base laws are attached to major bills as riders and often aren't wanted by the majority of congress, but they happen because they are attached to a high priority budget Bill or school and health care reform. The history of what a candidate has achieved and fought for in their careers really speaks true to their priorities and is the only fact based truths I can go with. At this point there is only one candidate I cannot support at all, and her name rhymes with Billery....

I am on the fence politically, I try to understand all sides and sort through the BS, which is a daunting task, especially I ally this year...ugghhh. but in the end I focus on the biggest issues that are important to me and my family, which often have nothing to do with natural resource or wildlife.
Bernie Sanders has other problems besides being old. He is a socialist.

I see from an earlier post, you are a manager of Natural resources and have a degree in wildlife biology. Would you seriously consider voting for Cruz after seeing this video calling for the transfer of federal lands to the states or better yet (according to him) selling the land to private individuals?

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/environment/article64362377.html
 

TimberJunkie

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Cruz is not my favorite either. But in some ways, states will manage lands better than the federal gov. I am a 20 year veteran of federal land mgmt. agencies. USFS and BLM. I am a forester and fire manager. It's so sad the hoops we have to jump through to do such mundane tasks. I am a true conservationist and believe is sound management practices. I am not an advocate of clearcuts, but I also despise the spotter owl at this point in my career. But the prospect of federal matrix timber land going into state hands for managing is a real probability. We are far from meeting the obligatory timber quota that is required to provide money to the counties for Law enforcement and libraries, schools, etc.

So, I don't think it's the right way to go, but the threat may spark some real motivation to overhaul reform on how federal lands are managed.
 

highplainsdrifter

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Cruz is not my favorite either. But in some ways, states will manage lands better than the federal gov. I am a 20 year veteran of federal land mgmt. agencies. USFS and BLM. I am a forester and fire manager. It's so sad the hoops we have to jump through to do such mundane tasks. I am a true conservationist and believe is sound management practices. I am not an advocate of clearcuts, but I also despise the spotter owl at this point in my career. But the prospect of federal matrix timber land going into state hands for managing is a real probability. We are far from meeting the obligatory timber quota that is required to provide money to the counties for Law enforcement and libraries, schools, etc.

So, I don't think it's the right way to go, but the threat may spark some real motivation to overhaul reform on how federal lands are managed.
As we have discussed on "Transfer of Public Land" thread, the big danger of the states taking control is that much of the land would end up being sold. That would not be good for hunting access or any other recreational access.

I agree with you that federal land management is not perfect. So let's work to make it better. How about starting by restoring some of the budget cuts that USFS and BLM have suffered in the past couple of decades? There are some other things that need to be done as well.

The question is: Which presidential candidate will lead us in that direction? Two that I have ruled out are Cruz and Sanders. They are both extremists on opposite ends of the political spectrum.
 

TimberJunkie

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Feb 13, 2015
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Central Point, OR
I have no suggestion yet, I have been reading past reform and going through past congressional sittings to see what the candidates have accomplished and what their priorities have been. Honestly Bernie Sanders has the most history, but he is really old and been in politics a long time, trump has no history of political wins or losses, makes it hard to understand where he is coming from, Cruz has been involved with some good and bad environmental orders and laws, but the bad doesn't seem to be his fault, many of the natural resource base laws are attached to major bills as riders and often aren't wanted by the majority of congress, but they happen because they are attached to a high priority budget Bill or school and health care reform. The history of what a candidate has achieved and fought for in their careers really speaks true to their priorities and is the only fact based truths I can go with. At this point there is only one candidate I cannot support at all, and her name rhymes with Billery....

I am on the fence politically, I try to understand all sides and sort through the BS, which is a daunting task, especially I ally this year...ugghhh. but in the end I focus on the biggest issues that are important to me and my family, which often have nothing to do with natural resource or wildlife.
 

packmule

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If your Fed lands staying the same is important to you, it would take a lot of to trust a guy tied to the Texas/Houston energy sector & Bush/Perry (with Mike Lee-UT endorsement) when transfer is topic of conversation.
 

Tazhii

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If it's not Trump then who? Tough question even though Trump is a 50/50 shot with all the others all we are looking at I'm afraid is "Bread and Circuses" my friends, "Bread and Circuses".